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    Quote Originally Posted by clutch-monkey View Post
    most drag orientated cars run auto's though?
    Are you talking about muscle? I'm not sure to be honest. I'll poke around.

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    looks like a sweet car...im jelous!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fleet 500 View Post
    Nothing. Especially when they have a shift kit. In many instances, they outperform manuals.
    If you are only looking at the numbers you are missing the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolidStradale View Post
    Was asking cause I might be selling my Elco in the near future, gas is absolutely killing me
    If you are serious i might be interested. I like el camino's even more than i like chevelles. keep me posted. what year is it?

    johnnynumfiv: out of curiosity is the 72 your favorite year? i personally like the 68's. are you planning on keeping it close to stock (350/2 barrel) or are you gonna change the motor/carb?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
    If you are only looking at the numbers you are missing the point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitdy View Post
    I haven't heard much about automatics outperforming manuals except for the new 911 Turbo where the auto is a tenth quicker to 100 km/h.

    I figure you're talking about muscle cars Fleet then? You got any examples of automatics outperforming manuals?

    I don't see how a 3 speed auto could beat a 4 speed manual.
    If you have a shift kit in the car, the shifts are very precise and quick. Put a manual valve body in it, (you have to shift between gears, a clutchless manual in a way) and you have a quicker, more consistant shift. In a drag race, manuals prove to be less consistant in ET's which is a huge part in bracket racing.

    Quote Originally Posted by roosterjuicer
    johnnynumfiv: out of curiosity is the 72 your favorite year? i personally like the 68's. are you planning on keeping it close to stock (350/2 barrel) or are you gonna change the motor/carb?
    I got the car cause it was a steal, thats pretty much it. I've been looking for a "muscle" car for a while now and this was a deal I couldn't pass up. It's staying stock for now because I'm going to try to sell it when I'm done fixing it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisetdavid26 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitdy View Post
    I figured autos beating manuals was only a very recent phenomenon that came with auto transmissions being specifically designed for performance in mind.
    No, it goes way back. The 1963 Winternationals was won by a Mopar Max Wedge with an automatic transmission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnynumfiv View Post
    If you have a shift kit in the car, the shifts are very precise and quick. Put a manual valve body in it, (you have to shift between gears, a clutchless manual in a way) and you have a quicker, more consistant shift. In a drag race, manuals prove to be less consistant in ET's which is a huge part in bracket racing.
    What's a manual valve body?

    In the muscle cars I know about, the automatic transmissions were 3 speeds and manuals were 4 speeds. Wouldn't this put the manual at a distinct advantage in the 1/4 mile? Maybe if they both had 4 speeds I could understand that automatics if designed for performance may be superior.

    In your average muscle car, was the manual or automatic quicker on average?

    Why did the muscle cars not come with 4 speed autos anyways?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fleet 500 View Post
    No, it goes way back. The 1963 Winternationals was won by a Mopar Max Wedge with an automatic transmission.
    What are the Winternationals and was a manual winning a common occurrence or a rarity?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitdy View Post
    What are the Winternationals and was a manual winning a common occurrence or a rarity?
    Winternationals is/was organized drag racing.
    In 1963, a Dodge became the first car with an automatic transmission to capture the Top Stock Eliminator at the 1963 N.H.R.A. Winternationals.

    Dodge cars, 1914-1966
    (Scroll down to "1963 Dodge Polara," right side of page.)
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    A manual vale body is wher the tansmiosn dosnt shift on it own. you have to shioft itto thenext gear.
    ITt's all biout the gearin in the tandsmision. The manual was proly faster back in the day caue they didn's have the shit we dotoday. 4 psed autos weren's mad yet. gGo to a drag strip today and you'd see its all autos. They ARE superiaoor in drag racing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitdy View Post
    What's a manual valve body?
    It converts an automatic transmission into one which must be shifted manually at all times.

    In the muscle cars I know about, the automatic transmissions were 3 speeds and manuals were 4 speeds. Wouldn't this put the manual at a distinct advantage in the 1/4 mile? Maybe if they both had 4 speeds I could understand that automatics if designed for performance may be superior.
    I've posted this comparison before, but I don't mind posting it again. From Car Life magazine, April, 1969...

    1969 Dodge Charger 500, 426-Hemi, auto and 4-speed

    ----------------------------- 3-speed auto--------- 4-speed manual

    Engine/rated hp-------------- 426-cu-in/425-------- 426-cu-in/425
    Curb weight------------------ 3,950 lbs------------- 4,025 lbs
    Rear axle ratio---------------- 3.23:1--------------- 3.55:1
    Tire size---------------------- F70x15-------------- F70x15

    0-40 mph--------------------- 3.3 seconds---------- 3.3 seconds
    0-50 mph--------------------- 4.4------------------- 4.4
    0-60 mph--------------------- 5.7------------------- 5.7
    0-70 mph--------------------- 7.1------------------- 6.8
    0-80 mph--------------------- 8.8------------------- 8.4
    0-90 mph--------------------- 10.6------------------ 10.0
    0-100 mph-------------------- 12.8------------------ 12.3

    1/4 mile----------------------- 13.92 secs @ 104.5 mph- 13.68 @ 104.8 mph
    Passing: 40-60 mph------------ 2.4 secs-------------- 2.4 secs
    -------- 50-70 mph------------ 2.7------------------- 2.4
    30-70 mph--------------------- 4.8------------------- 4.4
    60-100 mph-------------------- 7.1------------------- 6.6

    The 4-speed car was 75 lbs heavier than the automatic, but it had a lower rear axle ratio (3.55:1 VS 3.23:1) and the alleged advantage of being a manual transmission, yet the auto keeps right up with it up to 60 mph and almost matches the manual's trap speed through the 1/4 mile.

    The text did mention the resulting times: "We expected a great deal of difference between the automatic with the 3.23 rear axle and the four-speed with the 3.55. There was little. The manual was slightly quicker in the last half of the 1/4 mile, by virtue of the lower axle and a slightly sharper engine tune. But while the automatic could click off 13.9-second quarter-mile elapsed times all day, the manual had to be worked hard to get its quicker times."

    In your average muscle car, was the manual or automatic quicker on average?
    I would say so... unless the person driving the manual car was a very good shifter.

    Why did the muscle cars not come with 4 speed autos anyways?
    I've always wondered about that, too. A 4-speed auto would have been a big help in cars with very low (like 4.11:1) gearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnynumfiv View Post
    A manual vale body is wher the tansmiosn dosnt shift on it own. you have to shioft itto thenext gear.
    ITt's all biout the gearin in the tandsmision. The manual was proly faster back in the day caue they didn's have the shit we dotoday. 4 psed autos weren's mad yet. gGo to a drag strip today and you'd see its all autos. They ARE superiaoor in drag racing.

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    Interesting info there Fleet.

    Manual is faster than auto in this case, and possibly more fun too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitdy View Post
    Interesting info there Fleet.

    Manual is faster than auto in this case, and possibly more fun too!
    I wonder what the results would have been if the one with the auto trans had 3.55:1 gears? It just may have taken the manual-equipped car.

    However, you can have fun with cars with autos...
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