Lol gtr

[ThisBlood147]

This is why I prefer simpler, less expensive performance toys. They take more abuse and are cheaper and easier to repair if you do break something.

I mean, 20K for a new tranny??? I've got a new Versa that costs less than that. Sounds like Nissan needs to take some of these "nanny disabling" buttons off the car.....or engineer a transmission that won't frag if you attempt to drive it too close to its actual potential. What I'd really like to read is a write-up of just how fast this car is when you drive it in a manner that doesn't invalidate the warranty.

[Matra et Alpine]

YouTube - Adolf Hitler's R35 GT-R Original

[wwgkd]

So is this video why that guy kept mentioning driving it at Nuremberg, when we all thought he meant the Nurburgring?

[Quiggs]

I lol'ed.

[BarneyBoy]

I doubt very much that disabling this button is NOT in the owner's manual.

I doubt very much that the owner read TFM!

In which case, why should Nissan be responsible for moron owners?

I can drive a car with the brake brake engaged - and eventually I'll destroy it.
Is that the manufacturer's fault?
No, it's not.

All the problems with the GTR exist between the seat and the steering wheel.

[ThisBlood147]

In which case, why should Nissan be responsible for moron owners?

It's simple: don't design a shiny red "go-faster" button in a modern sportscar and then tell ppl they can't touch it or their warranty goes bye bye. This isn't about ppl doing something with the car that it's not meant to do (like offroad driving or something)....it's about Nissan pulling the ole "Do as I say, not as I do". Designing a car that's not able to withstand the kind of driving they used to promote the car, and then making the owners foot the bill because they didn't listen. This is what has caused all the negative stigma about this car: that Nissan hyped it to all hell and back as the end-all of all modern sportscars. And when something's on that high a pedestal.........it's going to have a long way to fall when any little thing about it isn't up to snuff.

IMO, Nissan should have just built the thing, advertised its existance to the world, and let the public figure out what it's capable of. Touting what they were able to do with it was their biggest mistake.

[clutch-monkey]

IMO, Nissan should have just built the thing, advertised its existance to the world, and let the public figure out what it's capable of. Touting what they were able to do with it was their biggest mistake.

that's a good idea, would have come as more of a shock/blitzkrieg to the press. whereas as it was everyone was sorta waiting for it to prove itself.

that vid is hilarious

[cmyzcargo]

This is the adult version of taking the training wheels off you first bike, only to have the handlebars come off on it's maiden voyage.. They finally give us the top of the line Nissan, then tell you not to
"ENJOY THE RIDE"?

[Matra et Alpine]

BArneyBoy's analogy is spot on.
You woulnd't go and complain to the company if you drove around with the handbrake on ... "just because I can".

The tuppence I'd add is the other mistake is in the buyers and journos who really think it's cool that they can drive a "Performance car" for such <$$ and dont' ahve a clue that owning a perfomrnace car comes with caveats ALL the time.

Mate sold his Ferrari ( and back to a 911 ) because after a couple of trackdays they wanted £5K for brakes and the same again for "additional engine servicing" indicated by the engine management logging recording the revs, gear changes, speeds
"Sensible" owners of performacne cars KNOW these things are needed when any machinery is driven hard. Only "idiots" think otherewise .... so there

[clutch-monkey]

Mate sold his Ferrari ( and back to a 911 ) because after a couple of trackdays they wanted £5K for brakes and the same again for "additional engine servicing" indicated by the engine management logging recording the revs, gear changes, speeds

jesus.
a friend in the club has been campaigning in a DC2 ITR all year - because ferrari wouldn't honour the warranty on his 360 (amounted to $100K AUD in damage - engine replacement needed). what happened was the engine blew (don't remember if it was on a trackday) and as he'd had it serviced at a specialist euro mechanic and not the dealership they didn't pay up

[Matra et Alpine]

That's not unreasonable, really is it.
Ferrari have no way of knowing what the menchinc did or didn't do
That's why dealer warranty ALWAYS says you have to get it serviced at a dealers.
Pretty silly of the owner really shame

[ThisBlood147]

I'd imagine that a large percentage of high end sportscar buyers aren't necessarily the smartest, most knowledgable lot......just as with most of the buying public.

I still stand by my assessment, however, that Nissan would have done well not to build up the car's capability numbers so much.......letting individual performance experiences speak for the car instead. Without all the hype and show up, this car wouldn't be getting half the flak that is has.....warranty realities or no.

[wwgkd]

Really it's not abuse voiding the warranty that bothers me, it's turning off the DSC once, or going to a track once, regardless of how you drive, and then it's gone.

[Rockefella]

BArneyBoy's analogy is spot on.
You woulnd't go and complain to the company if you drove around with the handbrake on ... "just because I can".

BS. The car is advertised to do 3.3 0-60, but only with the help of launch control that is activated by a button. Driving around with a handbrake on, while I see the point, has little relevance to this scenario. That's like saying 'I bought a laptop with a limited warranty and threw it against the wall!!! BECAUSE I CAN!!' Perhaps this is stated in the manual which the owner failed to read over and notice the fine print on, but can you blame him? Does everyone here read the hundreds of pages before the first time they drive the car? Some parts, yes.. for sure, but I doubt the '4 times VDC off warranty bye-bye' clause was extremely visible and marked in the table of contents.

While this could in the end be a case of the driver telling a lie and misquoting his use of the feature, Nissan's stance in this fiasco doesn't sit well with me. If the button is somewhat easily accessable yet can cause $20k worth of damage, perhaps a warning sticker should be put into place on/near the button on top of what is written in the manual/warranty information.

In short, like Culver said, proving what happened or placing blame entirely on one party is difficult. However, Nissan's position I view as rather shady.

[Matra et Alpine]

teh button does NOT cause the dmage.
Idiotic drivers with no mechanicla knowledge or sympathy do THAT.
ANd that makes it their own bloody fault.

oh and btw you'll also find your laptop does say it has to be treated gently and avoid knocksm fluids etc etc.

The problem is it used to be called "common sense", but thanks to US litigation prowess that can't be used and so now everyone goes "oh, NIssan let this button be pressed that meant *I* was in control of the machinery and it's wear/abuse ad it broke. SO it's not MY fault because tey dind't say it LOUD enough.

Nah, the BS is the bleating on the abusers.
If anyone thinks they can by a car and run it at it's published performance figures all the time is a class one idiot and desreves to NOT be permitted cars and to have sharp crayons removed from their locality. For example, running an engien at it's rev limit/max revs WILL wear it out. See common sense. BUT the manual doesn't say you can't. But you'll find a manufacturere rightly complaining if they had to cover that warranty ... AND all the other owners with common sense who are having to fund the idiot