LOL GTR, Pt 2.

[Bob]

I understand cars and I don't like the GT-R.

I agree, I'm just not interested in it. Give me a car without the most advanced computer controlled suspension in the world... All I really want is to drive. And though I've never driven either, I have a feeling I would enjoy a Lotus Elan more than a GTR

[digitalcraft]

Everyone likes different things in cars. I can see it both ways. I'd love to have a Mazda Miata someday just for the purpose of beating the living tar out of it (and probably will!) but I also can appreciate the technological masterpiece this car is. No, its not a Murcielago, but it also doesn't cost nearly that.

[Zytek_Fan]

About their only option.

Idiots who abuse the features and then claim on warranty just aren't' worth the hassle.
Shame that d*ckheads the world over (well one nation it seems) have ruined it for all of us

Yeah, a lot of it is indeed stupid people.



Same thing happened to the M3 SMG. It's just they didn't remove launch control. Apparently the record is 6 launches before the gearbox broke

[Cyco]

BMW, Lamborghini and Ferrari have all removed launch control features from US spec cars.

Why is Nissan doing it such big news?

[Bleeding Heart]

Maybe we should get less info about the GTR and more info on the ZR1

[IBrake4Rainbows]

1/4 miles are not the best measure of performance for any vehicle.

But they are quantifiable, which I guess is why they are used.

You know, by those who don't know better.

[LeonOfTheDead]

I understand cars and I don't like the GT-R.

oh hai there!

the only thing I would add to the debate, is that I found a little silly for Nissan for removing that only after having those problems. I guess they should have imagine that before. the main application of other GT-R is a 1/4 "race", give them the launch control, what did they expect?!

[john14]

I've had enough of people who always talk about their love of the GT-R or their hatred of it. Don't judge any year/model Skyline GT-R unless you have actually driven the corresponding real GT-R. If a person has actually driven one I might actually care about their opinion in relation to that particular model of the Nissan Skyline GT-R.

[Quiggs]

I don't need to drive a GTR to think it's an ugly over-teched bloated pig.

[digitalcraft]

Yeah people can have plenty opinions about things they haven't personally touched. I never touched John McCain.

[Quiggs]

... Did John McCain touch you?

[digitalcraft]

1/4 miles are not the best measure of performance for any vehicle.

But they are quantifiable, which I guess is why they are used.

You know, by those who don't know better.

I guess that's why they called it the baby Veyron, because people only cared about its acceleration ability. :P

Such an insult to the GTR though. Well, maybe it won't be that now, even if it loses some popularity because its not omg 3something 0-60.

[teatako]

Seriously though, what´s the point of having launch control (or ANY feature in a consumer product) if the thing cannot safely and reliably fullfill its purpose? I would think the whole point of having a feature called "launch control" it is to not have an idiot driver just dump the clutch at 5000 RPM, or revving to the moon in N and then engage 1.

Instead, you´d have the computer take over, micrometrically synchronising the gearbox/clutch assembly while having the driver just give it some revs while controlling the engine down to individual rpm (say at 3304 rpm, which would be the value engineered into the system for a perfect safe launch) no matter what the tach said.

About the BMW example, I read in Bimmer Magazine (M3 buying guide: What You Need To Know!) that the M3 blew engines because of the 8000 rpm redline, which the marketing team were adamant about. The M Roadster never had a problem as the redline was set at 7500 rpm. BMW NA initially blamed it on poor shifting on the part of the drivers but soon SMG M3´s started blowing up engines. You can´t miss shifts with an SMG. So they had to replace engines.

[koenigseggccx]

isnt it nice when an ignorant dew screw it up for all?

anyway, manual would be a nice option for this car.

[LeonOfTheDead]

I've had enough of people who always talk about their love of the GT-R or their hatred of it. Don't judge any year/model Skyline GT-R unless you have actually driven the corresponding real GT-R. If a person has actually driven one I might actually care about their opinion in relation to that particular model of the Nissan Skyline GT-R.

so let's close this forum...

About the BMW example, I read in Bimmer Magazine (M3 buying guide: What You Need To Know!) that the M3 blew engines because of the 8000 rpm redline, which the marketing team were adamant about. The M Roadster never had a problem as the redline was set at 7500 rpm. BMW NA initially blamed it on poor shifting on the part of the drivers but soon SMG M3´s started blowing up engines. You can´t miss shifts with an SMG. So they had to replace engines.

the M5 had some issues with blew up engines at first too. don't know what the specific problem was though.