Atomic Bomb Poll.

[CdocZ]

I feel these things are not given the attention that they deserve, and frankly, the fixation on Jewish life lost in World War II only gives fuel to the Neo-nazis fire.

I actually agree with this to a degree. I mean, being Jewish I am naturally sympathetic, but the only reason I can think of for the (nearly excessive) attention is how large a portion of our population it was.

Yet, I cannot imagine the gypsy population did not suffer similarly? Among other groups, at that.

[NSXType-R]

What I always find interesting about World War II civilian deaths are a few things and how they are interpreted. The bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are frequently brought up as examples and only certain people can think of say Dresden, or the Blitz, or any of the other major bombings in Europe. The Holocaust where 6 million Jews died is frequently mentioned, but the other 3-5 million other victims of genocide in Germany are often forgotten. What about the Red Army's war crimes? Or the Japanese slaughter of what, 10 million+ Chinese? I feel these things are not given the attention that they deserve, and frankly, the fixation on Jewish life lost in World War II only gives fuel to the Neo-nazis fire.



Ninja'd.

Yeah, I don't know why the Rape of Nanjing isn't covered more. By some estimates, the Japanese might have killed an equivalent amount of people as the Nazis did. But no one talks about it at all. I'm not saying that Jewish lives aren't as important as any other lives, but at least give fair coverage.

[f6fhellcat13]

Yeah, I don't know why the Rape of Nanjing isn't covered more. By some estimates, the Japanese might have killed an equivalent amount of people as the Nazis did. But no one talks about it at all. I'm not saying that Jewish lives aren't as important as any other lives, but at least give fair coverage.

It's not Jew and gentiles, it's whites and non-whites. This is why most Western historians seem fixated on the European theater in my opinion.

[RacingManiac]

.....and only certain people can think of say Dresden, or the Blitz, or any of the other major bombings in Europe......

Ninja'd.

credit goes to Kurt Vonnegut Jr....

[RacingManiac]

Yeah, I don't know why the Rape of Nanjing isn't covered more. By some estimates, the Japanese might have killed an equivalent amount of people as the Nazis did. But no one talks about it at all. I'm not saying that Jewish lives aren't as important as any other lives, but at least give fair coverage.

Not only that, the Japanese are also constantly denying it, their national position changes from PM to PM. The only people who constantly bring it up are the Mainland Chinese(who no one listens to because somehow because they are commie and have sketchy human right record history from their side somehow become less valid, even when this predates their government), and the Taiwan Chinese, who no one acknowledges. While the rest of the world embraces the Japanese culture to some idol worshipping level.

I like Japanese stuff as much as the next Asian dude, but it'll always be in the back of my head being a Chinese....

[Kitdy]

I actually agree with this to a degree. I mean, being Jewish I am naturally sympathetic, but the only reason I can think of for the (nearly excessive) attention is how large a portion of our population it was.

Yet, I cannot imagine the gypsy population did not suffer similarly? Among other groups, at that.

Well the fact of the matter is it may get special attention because it was the Nazis goal to eliminate the entire race.

I don't think it's "nearly excessive" attention, but just that the other atrocities in the modern era are not given enough attention.

[scottie300z]

I actually agree with this to a degree. I mean, being Jewish I am naturally sympathetic, but the only reason I can think of for the (nearly excessive) attention is how large a portion of our population it was.

Yet, I cannot imagine the gypsy population did not suffer similarly? Among other groups, at that.

I think that has to do with affluence. People don't care about groups that they think are "dirty."

That's why many similar travesties can occur today in third world countries and not too many people care. It's not another Holocaust b/c it is happening to poor people. It's a shame.

[Birdman002]

Hey Everyone thank you so much for all your feedback this is great for my report

[cmcpokey]

getting back to the original question, the atomic bomb was necessary to save lives in the long run. japan had a strategy to arm the populous and fight an invasion tooth and nail. with women and children using everything from guns to bamboo spears to attack troops. it would have meant hundreds of thousands of american lives, and millions of japanese lives. by demonstrating the level of force that the US could deliver, and the willingness to use it on anyone, it was the single event that convinced Tojo and Hirohito that they could not come out of an invasion positively. the japanese did not want to surrender and it was only under extreme duress that they did.

[ThisBlood147]

I'm gonna vote no opinion, simply because I could never be in full command of all the facts that were available to the decision makers back in that day. And without that, I don't see how I could (if that decision were weighted entirely on my shoulders) make an informed choice. My opinion, as such, tends to be caught somewhere in the middle on this one. On one hand, using such a powerful weapon on civilians seems unimaginable in the age we now live in. But on the other, the Japanese were not a force to be taken lightly...nor would they have laid down arms in defeat for anything but the most definitive of Allied displays of might. As mentioned earlier, wiping out an entire city with this new bomb did not evoke a surrender....why would a "scare" bombing have worked? Granted, I probably would have tried it anyways....but there's no way to be sure the Japanese warmachine would have flinched. If anything, they may have interpreted such a "warning" as a sign of the U.S.' unwillingness to commit to the use of the bomb tactically.....a.k.a.: weakness.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

I don't quite understand everything that happened during these times, but from what I do understand it would have been only another few weeks/months before the US was assured victory in Japan when the Bombs were dropped.

I think it's an abhorrent thing to have done, but War is hell. While that doesn't excuse it, no one can deny it had the desired effect.

[blingbling]

saved russia and china a lot of time thats for sure, i`m all for the nukes and got 1.5ish billion people that agree

[baddabang]

Right? Probably not. Awesome? Yes.

[roosterjuicer]

I actually agree with this to a degree. I mean, being Jewish I am naturally sympathetic, but the only reason I can think of for the (nearly excessive) attention is how large a portion of our population it was.

Yet, I cannot imagine the gypsy population did not suffer similarly? Among other groups, at that.

to be quite candid, a lot of it is the fact that the Jews are major players in the world these days and essentially run the media. Gypsi's, slavs, and russians do not. the jew have managed to convince most people who dont know much that they were the only people who suffered from german war crimes.

ever been the holocaust museum? that thing is dedicated almost entirely to jews (i wonder who it was financed by?) when in reality (and please correct me if im wrong) im under the impression that more russians/slavs/eastern european non-jews were slaughtered/"cleansed" than jews were

[NSXType-R]

It's not Jew and gentiles, it's whites and non-whites. This is why most Western historians seem fixated on the European theater in my opinion.

To a certain extent yeah, I understand.

Not only that, the Japanese are also constantly denying it, their national position changes from PM to PM. The only people who constantly bring it up are the Mainland Chinese(who no one listens to because somehow because they are commie and have sketchy human right record history from their side somehow become less valid, even when this predates their government), and the Taiwan Chinese, who no one acknowledges. While the rest of the world embraces the Japanese culture to some idol worshipping level.

I like Japanese stuff as much as the next Asian dude, but it'll always be in the back of my head being a Chinese....

Didn't know you were Chinese. I am too. You're right, it is in the back of my head too, but I also like Japanese culture, but like you said I don't hold a grudge anymore. It was the thinking of those in the past, I doubt anyone has the same type of thinking anyway. Plus, if you (any group) keep hating them, it doesn't help anyone in the end.

Sorry for kind of throwing this thread off topic by the way.