Ferrer Sucks and the North American Car Market and Fits Rock

[Roentgen]

Because Roentgen asked about hatches..

Because I am the law.

lol, I was just reading some of the arguments and I see Ferrer mentioned some hot hatches from Europe, and that got me thinking, "what hot hatches are made in NA?"

Anyway, my argument for this topic is that the NA car market is good for making classic/iconic cars, eg. Mustangs, Corvettes, etc. but they're no longer practical in today's world, especially with fuel crisis/economy. The iconic cars of Europe are much more realistic for today, eg. Mini, Fiat 500, etc.

Also hot hatches are more fun to drive, cheaper to buy, and cheaper to run than huge oversized SUVs.

And with that, I win. KTHXBAI.

[Ferrer]

i think clutch has it right. Oz gets the good bits of everything, although with the steering wheel on the wrong side.

It could be a nice compromise. And they have some nice local cars.

Slo SS and SRT-4 aren't hatches, and your argument about the 1-series is wrong.


Keyword.

The SRT-4 is a hatchback, altough not exactly one you'd want. Not when you could choose the Megane RS, Leon Cupra, Focus RS...

You could also argue that the Caliber is a CIA experiment that went wrong...

[Ferrer]

Alright, I think I've worked this out.

The data is from 2004, but we'll use that for a rough estimate. GDP PPP per capita is measured in international $. To convert other currencies to intl. $ you must use the PPP. For 2004 we have this figures for the US, Canada and Spain.

US: 36.098,15 intl. $ (1,00)
Canada: 28.397,69 intl. $ (1,26)
Spain: 20.976,63 intl. $ (0,84)

A Mustang GT costs 27.995 US $ (the same in intl. $), 37.000 Canadian $ (46.620 intl $). An Abarth 500 costs 18.500€ in Spain (15.540 intl $).

On that basis, it takes 0,78 years for an American to buy a Mustang GT, 1,64 years for a Canadian to buy a Mustang GT and 0,74 years for a Spaniard to buy an Abarth 500 on average.

So in fact it's you who are getting ripped off. And you've got worse roads.

[digitalcraft]

Roentgen is right. Europe has been relying on a small shit market to inch their way through since time memorial.

[LeonOfTheDead]

At 18/hr, the average Canadian would make $2880 a month, for 4 weeks, 40 hours a week, which is 1830 Euros. Then again, that's blue collar versus average, we need both to be average. Minimum wage in Ontario is $8.75, so that'd work out to $1400 or 891 Euros a month.

What's minimum wage in Italy say?

I think it's something like 6 or 7 € per hour.

Alright, I think I've worked this out.

The data is from 2004, but we'll use that for a rough estimate. GDP PPP per capita is measured in international $. To convert other currencies to intl. $ you must use the PPP. For 2004 we have this figures for the US, Canada and Spain.

US: 36.098,15 intl. $ (1,00)
Canada: 28.397,69 intl. $ (1,26)
Spain: 20.976,63 intl. $ (0,84)

A Mustang GT costs 27.995 US $ (the same in intl. $), 37.000 Canadian $ (46.620 intl $). An Abarth 500 costs 18.500€ in Spain (15.540 intl $).

On that basis, it takes 0,78 years for an American to buy a Mustang GT, 1,64 years for a Canadian to buy a Mustang GT and 0,74 years for a Spaniard to buy an Abarth 500 on average.

So in fact it's you who are getting ripped off. And you've got worse roads.

Sounds good...what's GDP PPP?!

[Ferrer]

Sounds good...what's GDP PPP?!

Gross domestic product taking into account purchase power parity. Maybe this will help you:

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDP]Gross domestic product[/ame]

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parity]Purchasing power parity[/ame]

[LeonOfTheDead]

Gross domestic product taking into account purchase power parity. Maybe this will help you:

Gross domestic product

Purchasing power parity

thanks, now it makes sense.
I would still go for the 500 SS, thanks.

[Ferrer]

thanks, now it makes sense.
I would still go for the 500 SS, thanks.

And it costs you less than an American or a Canadian a Mustang GT.

Well actually I'd have to do the numbers for Italy.

[LeonOfTheDead]

And it costs you less than an American or a Canadian a Mustang GT.

Well actually I'd have to do the numbers for Italy.

afaik life costs more in Italy than in Spain, but salaries are higher.
if that's correct, I would assume the situation is pretty similar.

[Ferrer]

afaik life costs more in Italy than in Spain, but salaries are higher.
if that's correct, I would assume the situation is pretty similar.

I thought I might as well do it. Same numbers as the other post (2004).

Italy: 23.175,02 intl $ (0,91)

The Abarth 500 in Italy also costs 18.500€. That's 16.835 intl $. And that means that an Italian should wait 0,73 years on average to buy it. So it's even better.

[cmcpokey]

So in fact it's you who are getting ripped off. And you've got worse roads.

so its good to be in europe, good to be in the US. but we can all agree that canada sucks.

[Ferrer]

so its good to be in europe, good to be in the US. but we can all agree that canada sucks.

Indeed.

[Rasmus]

Yep .

[cmcpokey]

Indeed.

Yep .

sorry cameron, looks like you lose.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

So can someone do the calculations for Australia? my mind hurts when I try to do them.

<pushes brain back in head from leaking ear>