Justice is Blind

[cargirl1990]

Chinese making cheap rip off of cars (or things in general), then re-branding them as their own.

exactly. they have the last generation Corolla and the last generation Sebring. lets not forget that they have a car concept shaped like a flippin baseball cap.

[Matra et Alpine]

exactly. they have the last generation Corolla and the last generation Sebring.

^^^^^^^^^ It's what we Europeans have been saying about the American market Fords and GMs for decades

[f6fhellcat13]

they copied the 330 P3/4

Kill them.
Kill them dead.

[RacingManiac]

At least they are copying and branding it as a different car. A far more serious problem is copying product and selling it as the original and mixed in the supply chain. Fake bearings, electronics, health and food products.....

[Ferrer]

^^^^^^^^^ It's what we Europeans have been saying about the American market Fords and GMs for decades

That was nasty...

[blingbling]

Ripping off a design and reverse engineering it, albeit in a worse version, seems pretty rediculous to me. If Chevrolet did the same with their own version of a Ferrari F430 and claimed it to be the Corvette ZO6 would you say it'd be logical?

why wouldn't it be?

reverse engineering is amazing.

[Rockefella]

why wouldn't it be?

reverse engineering is amazing.

Sure, but it's probably also illegal in this case

[blingbling]

that is for the courts to decide...

[Roentgen]

that is for the courts to decide...

Yes sure... but the courts seem so wrong in this case...

[blingbling]

do you have a degree in automotive design, mechanical engineering, and patent law to decide if it seems wrong or right?

i know the legal system seems to get caught up in bureaucratic bullcrap every now and then but when you are dealing with copying/reversengineering technology, you HAVE to step into the realm of legal practice. in this case, the best lawyers from both companies went in and the chinese came out on top. suck it up.

[blingbling]

you can't say it is illegal, because the court says otherwise

you can't say it is wrong, because reverse engineering is a beautiful and efficient thing

you can't say the consumers will suffer, because in the end, they make their own choices in this capitalist world

i am starting to think this is just blatant racism

[Matra et Alpine]

no blatent engineering
It is ILLEGAL to reverse engineer and then build the same on any product with patents, trademark or image intellectual property.

Until 1991 China didn't recognise engineering copyright or design rights.
Only when international trade grew did pressure come to sign to the international accords.
Still not ideal but at least 95% of their copyright has now been rewritten to align a little better with what we understand copyright and design rights to be.
So they do NOT have a culture which protects another's designs.
We do.
I do argue ( and as a patent holder myself ) that modern IP protection is wrong and is seen as an opportunity in it's own right. NOT what was intended when patents were first created So I'd like more of the "reverse engineering" to be allowed in some areas. BUT balanced with reasonable protection.

Oh and recently one of the companies were stopped from exporting a blatant Fiat copy ( might have been the Panda ? ) and if they try to import them to weurope they will pay a 50K euro fine for EACH car sold. So in that case it was upheld.

This isn't "racism" but is "culturism".
If CHina wishes to share in trade it has to learn the lessons of reasonable operation and protectino of individuals and business rights.
"we" went through the same 100-200 years ago, so not unreasonabel for China to have to come up the same learning path ... jsut preferably a little quicker

[Roentgen]

i am starting to think this is just blatant racism

Strange you say that. I'm Chinese myself, and it's not as if I hate my own country? I just truly believe this "cheapness" should be avoided. Our culture have this incredible lust for money, and it seems like they're happy to sacrifice everything for that. This I really disapprove. That's why when I saw this article, I was quite disappointed, and angry. This is a shame to my nation, and pointing it out is not blatant racism.

[LeonOfTheDead]

you can't say it is illegal, because the court says otherwise

you can't say it is wrong, because reverse engineering is a beautiful and efficient thing

you can't say the consumers will suffer, because in the end, they make their own choices in this capitalist world

i am starting to think this is just blatant racism

Saying it isn't "illegal" because the court said is fine is like saying a court can't be corrupted. Perhaps not in this case, I can't say it, but generally, you logical isn't flawless.
So the Italian Prime Minister didn't do something illegal just because a year ago he established a new law stating he is immune from the main art of legal actions.

o rlly?!

Also, we aren't really talking about reverse engineering in most cases, but just of badly designed and built cars that looks exactly like much more famous and important (and eventually even better built) cars.
I don't think the BMW X5 is the best engineered car in the world, but I'm pretty sure the Shangyuan CEO isn't even remotely as good as the X5.

no blatent engineering
It is ILLEGAL to reverse engineer and then build the same on any product with patents, trademark or image intellectual property.

Until 1991 China didn't recognise engineering copyright or design rights.
Only when international trade grew did pressure come to sign to the international accords.
Still not ideal but at least 95% of their copyright has now been rewritten to align a little better with what we understand copyright and design rights to be.
So they do NOT have a culture which protects another's designs.
We do.
I do argue ( and as a patent holder myself ) that modern IP protection is wrong and is seen as an opportunity in it's own right. NOT what was intended when patents were first created So I'd like more of the "reverse engineering" to be allowed in some areas. BUT balanced with reasonable protection.

Oh and recently one of the companies were stopped from exporting a blatant Fiat copy ( might have been the Panda ? ) and if they try to import them to weurope they will pay a 50K euro fine for EACH car sold. So in that case it was upheld.

This isn't "racism" but is "culturism".
If CHina wishes to share in trade it has to learn the lessons of reasonable operation and protectino of individuals and business rights.
"we" went through the same 100-200 years ago, so not unreasonabel for China to have to come up the same learning path ... jsut preferably a little quicker

It was the Great Wall Peri, so yes, a Fiat Panda.

[Black Edition]

they did something even better, they copied the 330 P3/4:



That's the Italian Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the time (and even now, thanks Berlusconi).
here is a higher res image

omg

even ferrari has a chinese clone???

and i thought that wasn't about to happen.