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    Ferrari 212E

    212E #1 Primarily a hillclimb car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dino Scuderia View Post
    212E #1 Primarily a hillclimb car.
    isn't this the car (Chassis 862) that won all the races (only hillclimbs) it was entered in? 1969 with Peter Schetty?
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    It is indeed the 1967 212E Montagna (to give it its full title , s/n 862 as you rightly pointed out Henk4

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSOWNER View Post
    It is indeed the 1967 212E Montagna (to give it its full title , s/n 862 as you rightly pointed out Henk4
    1969 is the season that it raced...so I assume that it may have been built in 1968, but not in 1967...I think by then Ferrari was still using Dino derived mountain racers
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    Here's a small excert from the piece i have on the car as copied from the Ferrari Owners Club UK website.

    Written by John Elliot

    Since its establishment in the late 1950's the European Mountain Championship became the preserve of Porsche. However, on those few occasions when Ferrari gave it serious attention, the German cars were well and truly beaten.

    In 1962 Ludovico Scarfiotti in an open 196 SP s/n 0804 took the Championship for Ferrari ahead of the Porsche of Heini Walter. 1963 and 1964 were again Porsche years with avengance. Ferrari returned to the mountains in 1965 with a prototype 166P s/n 0834 and again Scarfiotti took the Championship.

    1966 could have seen a repeat performance but Ferrari was experiencing industrial action back in Italy and so Dino s/n 0842 did not appear at all the events and Scarfiotti only managed a second place.

    1969 was the next concentrated attack by Ferrari on the European Mountain Championship. Work on a new car had actually started at the end of 1967 and a new open sports 2-litre car was built. It was powered by a flat -12 engine developed by Jacoponi from Forghieri's original 1.5 litre design which had briefly appeared in 1964-65 at the end of the 1.5 litre F1 era. When tested for this new "Sport 2000" the engine produced a healthy 290 bhp at 11,800 rpm.

    The car that finally raced in the 1969 European Hill Climb Championship was the 212 E Montagna, s/n 0862. The 212 represents the 2 litre flat 12 configuration of the engine while the E stood for Europeo and Montagna of course for mountain.

    The development of chassis 0862 was explored in an excellent article by Marc Sonnery in Cavallino 97. Was this a new chassis or the development of an existing car? The 212 was an obvious development from the 206 and thus an existing car which had been modified. Initially it was thought that Dino s/n 028 was the car but this had been with the Italian Lualdi from 1966 to 1970. The most recent conclusion is that Dino chassis s/n 020 was used and renumbered 0862.

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    So had it not been for industrial action the car could have in theory been around for sometime during 1966

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    great piece of recycling, also that in 1968 it was shown as the P5....(with what engine?)
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    yep originally closed body styled 250 P5. Pininfarina's show car at the 1968 Geneva Show, i would imagine the 2-litre V6 from the doner Dino 206S was fitted in it still at that point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSOWNER View Post
    yep originally closed body styled 250 P5. Pininfarina's show car at the 1968 Geneva Show, i would imagine the 2-litre V6 from the doner Dino 206S was fitted in it still at that point.
    Wouldn't it be nice to suggest that "250P" would indicate that it had the first 312B engine fitted????
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    Thats the only thing with some of these Ferrari's, as i've come to notice there are many tangled histories to unravel. For instance the 1968 Pininfarina P5 show car i've read was supposedly fitted with a 3 litre V12, confusing to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RSOWNER View Post
    Thats the only thing with some of these Ferrari's, as i've come to notice there are many tangled histories to unravel. For instance the 1968 Pininfarina P5 show car i've read was supposedly fitted with a 3 litre V12, confusing to say the least.
    well, the P5 pictures clearly show a V12, so probably the Dino chassis was already stretched enough to accommodate a flat 12. Interestingly, many not so recent articles indicate that a P4 chassis was used for the P5.
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    i love purpose built hillclimb cars, anyone had a chance to feel how soft hillclimb tires are? sink your fingers right in!
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