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    Quote Originally Posted by clutch-monkey View Post
    success.
    No manual?

    Fail. A manual option and PDK would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesmoRob View Post
    I just prefer the simplicity of the basic 997 Carrera's styling. Thats the one I'd want. I don't know why they insist on messing with something that works.
    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kitdy View Post
    No manual?

    Fail. A manual option and PDK would be great.
    I had a feeling you wouldn't like it so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kitdy View Post
    No manual?

    Fail. A manual option and PDK would be great.
    Um...
    I wouldn't trust the article too much, because it also said that it won't be rear-engined anymore, which is something that will never happen.
    Sounds more like a Cayman GT3 to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Commodore GS/E View Post
    Um...
    I wouldn't trust the article too much, because it also said that it won't be rear-engined anymore, which is something that will never happen.
    Sounds more like a Cayman GT3 to me.
    It didn't say it wouldn't rear engined, it said the engine would be moved forward slightly.

    Whatever that means.

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    All of this is suspect. It comes from a poster on Rennlist that claims to have spoken to an unnamed high up Porsche executive at a recent event.

    Some blogs misinterpreted what the poster wrote (I read the original source) and he claimed the Porsche exec said that the engine would be moved forward, but not be mid-engined, as I recall.

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    Top Gear Mag have driven one of the mules:

    Back in February 2011, in South Africa, Top Gear climbed into a car that looked very much like a Porsche 911, but such was the secrecy we can only talk about it now.

    A 911, but not as we know it. Under the tape and mesh lights covers and false turbo-look side vents, it's running all-new body and chassis. But then when did a new 911 ever look much different from the old? Not since ever.

    It even sounded the same: again, no surprise given its flat-six isn’t vastly modified from what today’s retiring 911s have.

    We’ll have the full story in next month’s Top Gear magazine, but for now, here are some of our impressions of our time in Porsche’s prototype 991, only the third new 911 design in the car’s 48 year history. It's going to be formally unveiled at the Frankfurt show in September.

    First, the big surprise: it felt less rear-engined. Less 911-ish, more Cayman-like. Because, in a way, it is. Of course, the engine’s where it always was, hanging out the back. But the rear wheels have moved 70mm back to meet it, reducing its leverage over the rest of the car. So the mass of that engine has less see-sawing effect when you go over crests or dips. If those events coincide with a corner, there's less corkscrewing body movement.

    The new shell also has its front wheels further forward, and a more sloping windscreen centreline. So it's roomier and more aerodynamic. But the screen pillars are still fairly upright to make the car as easy to see out of as all 911s are, and most other supercars defiantly aren’t.

    Another fundamental change: for the sake of fuel economy, the steering is now electrically powered. Potentially dismaying news, given the dishearteningly remote systems used elsewhere, but August Achleitner, boss of the 911 line and our driver for the day, is insistent it will offer less interference on straights but the same feel as the old car in bends. We shall see.

    Though the longer wheelbase gives a little more cabin room, the overhangs are shorter, so overall length doesn't rise much. And it's no wider. Still a compact, useable, glassy car. Good.

    They moved the wheels by changing the gearbox – the new manual is a version of the current three-shaft PDK box, and this has its driveshaft flanges further back than the old manual. Obviously in converting the PDK to a manual, they won’t have blocked off any of its seven speeds. Prizes for naming any other seven-speed manual? (Trucks and tractors not allowed.)

    But the new platform isn’t just about moving the wheelbase relative to the weight, it’s also about actually cutting weight. Aluminium is used for the floor, the main structure front and rear and most of the external panels. The rear wing and inner and outer bodysides are steel and so is the front crash structure. The new shell and other weight improvements shave somewhere between 30-40kg out of a base 911 Carrera.

    If they’d left it as all-steel, it would have put on weight, not lost it. Maybe by as much as 60kg heavier than before, because it’s longer and has more kit and its standard wheels have gone up to 19-inch.

    Performance numbers aren’t final yet, but in the Porsche way they’ll all be a sliver better than the cars they sell now. For economy the base car drops to a 3.4-litre from a 3.6, but it’s still very slightly more powerful than it was at 350bhp – 20bhp more than a Cayman R’s 3.4 because it has its own cylinder heads and revs higher.

    The Carrera S still has a 3.8-litre, but now revving up to 7800 because of new injectors, camshafts and their drive. That means 400bhp.

    And economy rises on all. Over recent history Porsche has always managed at least a 10-percent improvement for each new model. The engineers don't shake their heads when you suggest they've done the same this time. That would put the 3.4 Carrera PDK at about 33mpg and roughly 200g/km. That’s ruddy unbelievable for a GT that’ll do 0-60 in the mid-fours.

    Style-wise, the full drum-roll debut is at the Frankfurt show in September – to make our prototype resemble 997s the car was well-padded with matte-black plastic wraps to dull the curves, plus bra and pants front and rear. But you can see the curvier line to the top of the rear wings, and the way the rear window sits slightly recessed in the bodywork. Inside the cabin uses lots of Panamera parts, but it doesn’t feel like a saloon in here. Just a sports car with shedloads of buttons for all the optional equipment.
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    I guess that answers the gearbox and layout questions. Engine's not moved forward so much as wheels moved backwards, and an H-pattern 7-speed manual - either way, good news.
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    Sounds like it's all good stuff, except for the Panamera interior. I don't like the button overload. Even in a Honda Pilot I couldn't find what I was looking for.

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    The new 911 sound good. One question without tring to soud stupid, why will the new 911 be called the 991 not the 998?
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    I don't know why 991, but since it's 'all new' I guess they don't just want to +1 the current model number.
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    ^^^ Maybe, but how 'all new' is the new 911 because we are talking about porsche here and you know what they can be like.
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    So they turned the PDk into a manual, or do you think it's more of a 'digital' manual?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebrochureman View Post
    ^^^ Maybe, but how 'all new' is the new 911 because we are talking about porsche here and you know what they can be like.
    Engine is an evolution, chassis is new.

    Quote Originally Posted by ruim20 View Post
    So they turned the PDk into a manual, or do you think it's more of a 'digital' manual?
    From what I've read it's an H-pattern. Or.. H-H pattern now I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thebrochureman View Post
    ^^^ Maybe, but how 'all new' is the new 911 because we are talking about porsche here and you know what they can be like.
    Technically, everything is new, but you wouldn't guess that from seeing it.

    Also, seeing how the Carrera S has 400 hp now, I'm starting to get really curious about the GT models now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimento View Post
    I don't know why 991, but since it's 'all new' I guess they don't just want to +1 the current model number.
    Because eventually you run past 1000 and that'd be weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NSXType-R View Post
    Because eventually you run past 1000 and that'd be weird.
    Yea but you could have had the 998 & 999 first, and the 1000 would have been quite a few years away anyway.
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