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    Quote Originally Posted by thebrochureman View Post
    The new 911 sound good. One question without tring to soud stupid, why will the new 911 be called the 991 not the 998?
    Quote Originally Posted by pimento View Post
    I don't know why 991, but since it's 'all new' I guess they don't just want to +1 the current model number.
    Porsche historically uses internal engineering project numbers, which don't necessarily coincide with model designations.

    An incomplete list:

    7 Wanderer (today part of Audi) car 6cyl (1930)
    8 Wanderer car 8 cyl
    9 same with other motor
    10 Horch (part of Audi) supension
    12 Zuendapp car (rear motor, predates beetle concept) 1931
    16 Roehr 8cyl
    18 motor for 4-wheel truck
    19 same for 6-wheel truck
    20 suspension
    22 auto union race car A,B,C
    24 Zuendapp 3-wheeler
    27 Mathis Ford
    28 variatons of motor 18/19
    30 Hanomag, suspension
    31 Wanderer, suspension
    32 NSU (part of Audi) rear motor car, pre-dates Beetle (1932)
    36 Roehr, car chassis
    38 motor truck 4-wheel
    39 motor truck 6-wheel
    52 auto union sports car
    56 ERA front suspension
    57 Zuendapp motor for motorcycle
    60 Volkswagen "Beetle" by Porsche, diff. variations K1 until K11
    62 4x4 Pre-Kuebelwagen
    64 10
    64 code for sportscar , will be 60K10 berlin-rome
    65 same for school-car with two posts
    66 same RHD
    68 truck Postal service
    70 airplane motor 32 cyl
    71 same with 16 cyl
    72 motor 16cyl airplane
    76 labor-car (medecine ?)
    78 airplane motor
    80 mercedes benz record car (1938), its on display in the museum
    82 Kibelwagen
    83 automatique transmission
    84 automatique transmission
    85 typ60 with 4wheel drive
    86 proto typ82 with 4wheel drive
    87 Kuebelwagen
    88 VW pickup
    89 VW automatic transmission
    92 VW study "Beetle" on chassis 87
    93 differentiel
    94 Mercedes-Benz: study for race motor
    95 Bus
    96 transmission
    97 Mercedes-Benz: heavy truck
    98 VW proto for Typ128 and also variation on Typ 87
    100 tank
    101 motor tank
    102 tank (typ101)
    103 tank (typ101)
    106 transmission
    107 VW motor
    108 Mercedes-Benz: Kompressor
    108 Tractor
    114 sports car base is typ60
    114 tractor (same number)
    115 VW motor
    116 race car on base 114
    117 motor (typ 101)
    119 motor
    124 VW typ 82 for use on railtracks
    125 wind turbine
    126 transmission
    127 motor
    128 VW swimm-car (schwimmwagen typ87)
    130 tank
    131 V10 motor
    133 carburator
    133 Tractor
    133 S Snow Tractor
    135 wind turbine
    136 wind turbine
    137 wind turbine
    138 VW Typ 128 variation
    139 Typ 138 variation
    142 tank truck
    151 VW transmission
    152 VW transmission
    153 Skoda motor for tractor
    155 typ 87 with snow wheels
    156 typ 166 for rail tracks
    157 like 156
    158 experimental motor
    160 VW monocoque
    162 VW monocoque for typ 87
    164 6wheeel with 2motors typ 82
    166 swimm wagen
    170 motor for ship
    171 motor for ship
    172 motor for ship, base VW
    175 tractor
    176 starter motor
    177 transmisson typ82
    178 transmission
    179 VW injection system
    180 tank
    181 tank
    182 VW typ 82 production No.
    187 4x4 typ 82
    188 proto of 166
    190 motor diesel
    191 motor 1cyl diesel
    193 motor diesel
    193 motor diesel
    197 starter motor
    198 starter motor
    200 motor diesel aircooled 10cyl.
    203 motor diesel
    205 Maus Tank
    208 Tractor
    209 Mercedes-Benz motor diesel 12cyl, 44.5litre (!) for tank
    212 Motor diesel for 205
    213 motor diesel
    220 motor diesel, 16cyl, 34.5litre for tank
    225 VW transmission
    227 transmission
    230 VW generator
    231 VW generator
    235 VW generator electric
    236 VW as typ 230
    237 VW typ230 version for airplane
    238 winch
    239 VW generator woodburner
    240 VW gas motor
    250 tank
    252 VW transmission
    261 heating system tank
    274 starter motor
    276 VW fixation system
    278 transmission
    283 Typ82 gas motor
    285 water turbine (1944 gmuend)
    287 military car
    288 motor water turbine
    289 motor water turbine
    291 wind tunnel (!)
    292 wind tunnel
    293 caterpillar system
    294 fixation ski (!, yes its in the alps..)
    296 modification motor 40
    298 radio
    307 carburator
    309 diesel motor tractor
    312 projet tractor gaz
    313 projet 312 with diesel
    313 Tractor
    315 VW, motor ski-lift
    323 motor diesel tractor
    323 Tractor
    328 motor tractor
    330 VW
    331 VW motor wood-burner
    332 VW motor coal burner
    340 small 2 wheel
    352 Project "car" swiss citizen v.Senger
    355 VW small pickup
    356 Apal Coupe
    356 Convertible "D" (Drauz
    356
    356 A Coupe and Cabriolet
    356 A Speedster
    356 B Karman Hardtop (Knotchback)
    356 B Coupe and Cabriolet
    356 B Roadster
    356 C/SC Coupe and Cabriolet
    356 Carrera Coupe, Cabriolet and Speedster, 1.5 and 1.6
    356 Carrera 2
    356 Carrera GS/GT Coupe and Cabriolet
    356 Pre-A Coupe and Cabriolet
    356 Pre-A Speedster
    356 Carrera
    356 Carrera Abarth
    356 Abarth Carrera GTL (20 built)
    356 Carrera GT
    360 Cisitalia GP 12cyl
    360 Cistilia Race Car
    361 Cisitalia experimentalmotor
    362 Cisitalia 2 litre formula 2
    370 final Cisitalia race car 1.5litre
    372 variations on 370
    374 variations on 370
    378 project gear system for 370
    380 same
    382 Cisitalia sports car (project)
    383 VW gearsystem and synchros
    384 version B of 383
    385 cisitalia water turbine motor
    402 VW studies for short chassis car
    403 Police car for Austrio-Tatra
    425 tractor diesel
    500 Assembled Mercedes E50
    502 motor 2litre
    506 motor 1.3 litre ABC
    507 motor 1.3litre
    508 VW motor diesel
    509 motor 1.3litre for 356
    514 Le Mans car
    519 transmission 4gear for356
    522 suspension front
    542 Porsche-Studebaker Project
    550 spyder
    550 A
    550 RSK
    550
    555 VW proto Beetle
    556 Speedster
    557 1.5litre motor for USA
    559 transmission
    568 "fletcher" car
    574 electric clutch for 356
    575 suspension for 355
    577 disc for 356 (experimental) dunlob brakes disc sys
    587 2 litre motor for 718 (1961), 1, 2, 3 (for 904) 2 litre version for motor 547 for 718
    588 transmission for 587
    597 Jadwagen
    607 gear system for Bugatti fourmula 1 (1954)
    611 gear system for Ferrari formula 1 (1954)
    616 motor for 356A...616/2 until 39
    619 motor diesel
    622 tractor
    623 tractor
    624 tractor
    627 detail on suspension
    628 ventilation system
    632 studies for dev. 356
    633 studies for studebaker
    638 VW 6cyl
    639 same as 627
    643 4gear box for 356
    644 proto T8, will be soon 901/911 (1962)
    695 /356 T7 901/911 Prototype
    716 356 Transmission
    718 RSK
    804 Formula 1
    901 T8 proto becoming 911 in 1963
    901/00 - /30 motors, transmissons
    902 transmission
    902 R THE 911
    903 PROTOTYPE AUTO TRANSMISSION 3gear FOR 911
    904 Elva-Porsche/KangarooVersion
    904 FRP Sports Racer
    904 GT car
    905 transmission sportomatic
    905 ON
    906/003 until 906/10 GT cars
    906 Carrera 6 Coupe Racer
    907 GT with motor 906 and 771, Sports Race Car
    908/01 until 03 GT cars 1968-1971, 908/80 chassis will be chassis 936 (1980)
    909 Berg Spyder, Climb Car
    910 GT, 1967 Sports Race Car and hill climb car
    911 Coupe-Sportomatic
    911 (901) 911/00 until 911/98 motors, transmissions, 911 E, L, R, S, T
    911 B7 4-seat by Pininfarina
    912 E
    912 Coupe (4 cyl. 911)
    912 Targa-Soft Top
    912 Project is the the 12 cyl 4.5litre engine for the 917.
    912 GT car 4 cyl with motor 616 (No. to hide development of 12cyl.)
    913 study for 3cyl aircooled motor
    914 study for 4cyl aircooled motor
    914 car, 911/6, 11/12 for transmissions
    914 2
    914 6
    915 study for 911car with longer wheeelbase /transmissions 915/06-915/49
    915 5 SPEED TRANSMISSION FOR 911
    916 motor 6cyl (run 1967 in a 911R corsica)
    916 transmission 5gear for 908/01 and 908/02
    916 sportscar (1972) MID-ENGINED 6 CYLINDER SPORTS CAR
    916 GT
    916 1968 6 SPEED GEARBOX
    916 67 DOHC 6 CYLINDER ENGINE
    917 with motor 912 K, LH, PA, 917/10, 20, 30
    917 1969 Sports Race Car
    917 Spyder
    917 20 (Pink Pig)
    917 Porsche Racing Car 'Sau Berta' (Pink Pig)
    918 study for car with central-motor (1973)
    918 motor 8cyl 3.2litre for car 918
    919 transmission
    920 transmission for 917
    920 chassis for 917 (1969)
    921 4x4 sports car with turbine motor
    911 automatic transmission 3gear for car 928
    920 4 SPEED TRANSMISSION FOR 917
    920 A 917 with a 16 cylinder 6.5 liter motor
    921 4x4 turbine car all terrain
    922 motor 912 with 4valve per cyl for 917
    922 transmission 3gear for later car 928
    923 motor 4 cyl 2.0litre for 912E
    924 Turbo, GT, GTS, GTR
    925 SPORTOMATIC TRANSMISSION FOR 911 T/E
    928 4.5L V8 Sports Car
    928 GT
    928 S4
    928 SE (English Market)
    929 Not Assigned
    930 First Generation 911 Turbo
    930 Group B (934 produced after 934 production run finished)
    930 Slantnose
    930 Turbo
    931 924 Turbo
    932 924 Turbo (RHD)
    934 GR 4 Production Race Car
    934
    935 GR 5 Production Race Car
    935 Moby Dick
    936 1976 Sports Prototype Race Car
    937 1980 924 Carrera GT
    938 1980 924 Carrera GT (RHD)
    939 1980 924 Carrera GT (Le mans)
    941 944 Convertible ??
    942 4 door Coupe for Ferry porsche
    944 Turbo
    944 Turbo S
    944 S Coupe
    944 Club Sport
    944 S2 Cabriolet
    944 Turbo GTR
    944 S2 Coupe
    944 Coupe
    945 1982 2.5L 4 cylinder Road Car RHD
    951 944 Turbo
    953 4X4 Paris-Dakar Rally Car
    954 911 SC/RS Raly Car
    955 Cayenne
    956 1982 Group C Prototype Race car
    959 1986 Limited Production Road Car
    961 1986 959 Racing Car
    962 1984 Prototype GR C/Imsa Race Car
    964 Speedster
    964 Carrera 4 Coupe
    964 Carrera 2 Cab
    964 Carrera 2 Coupe
    964 Turbo S
    964 RSL
    964 RST
    964 RSN-GT
    964 Cup
    965 1991 Model 964 bodied 911 Turbo
    966 Cabriolet
    968 Coupe 1991 3.0 4 cylinder Road Car
    968 S2 Cabriolet
    968 Club Sport
    986 Boxster
    986 Boxster S
    989 Early 90's Ptototype 4 Seater
    993 Carrera 2 Cabriolet
    993 Carrera S
    993 Carrera 4S0
    993 RS
    993 RSR (Clubsport for the UK)
    993 Cup
    993 Targa
    993 Turbo S
    993 GT1
    993 GT2
    995 Research Car
    996 Anniversary Edition
    996 C4 Coupe
    996 C2 Cabriolet
    996 C2 Coupe
    996 C4 Cab
    996 Turbo
    996 C2 Targa
    996 C4S
    996 GT1
    996 GT2
    996 GT2R
    996 GT3
    996 GT3R
    996 GT3 Clubsport
    996 GT3 Cup
    996 GT3 RS
    996 Targa
    997
    998

    Etc, etc. As you can see, the many variations within a project number are still referred to for marketing purposes as the 911.
    '62 356S Notchback Hotrod
    '64 VW Microbus 21 Deluxe
    '67 911S Das Geburtstagsgeschenk
    '68 911T Targa Sporto
    '68 Mercedes 280 SL
    '62 BMW 700 Sport
    '63 BMW 700 Cabriolet
    '72 BMW 3.0CSL
    '72 BMW 3.0CSA
    '70 914/6 GT

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    I think they should go into the 1000s.

    I like this tradition.

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    I think they should move into hexadecimal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimento View Post
    Engine is an evolution, chassis is new.



    From what I've read it's an H-pattern. Or.. H-H pattern now I guess.
    Yes, i was saying and H patern but digital, you would select gears like you normaly do, but instead of being connected to the gear box by cables or linkages it would be done digitaly.
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    Oh, I see what you mean. Not sure why you'd offer a digital H-H pattern over flappy paddles [racing marketeering and all that] but it's a possibility. Hopefully it's all mechanical.
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    ^^^ Thanks for the info csl177
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    They wont go into the thousands as Porsche 'owns' the rights to naming cars with 3 digit numbers starting with 9. Pug found this out the hard way a few years ago, but still proceeded to name their latest LMP car this way.

    The 909 Bergspyder had a write-up in Race Car Engineering a few issues ago. Amazing car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyco View Post
    They wont go into the thousands as Porsche 'owns' the rights to naming cars with 3 digit numbers starting with 9. Pug found this out the hard way a few years ago, but still proceeded to name their latest LMP car this way.

    The 909 Bergspyder had a write-up in Race Car Engineering a few issues ago. Amazing car.
    Pug owns all x0y numbers, though. That is why the 901 became the 911, though I'm not sure Peugeot's or Porsche's ownership of those number names carries over to racing.

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    Racing is probably more of a grey area. Especially concerning prototypes that have nothing to do with production road cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyco View Post
    The 909 Bergspyder had a write-up in Race Car Engineering a few issues ago. Amazing car.
    Good looking author on that one as well ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by f6fhellcat13 View Post
    Pug owns all x0y numbers, though. That is why the 901 became the 911, though I'm not sure Peugeot's or Porsche's ownership of those number names carries over to racing.
    Peugeot had a long tradition, dating from before WWII of three digit numbers with a zero in the middle. The 901 was not acceptable for them as it was a road car, but they left the 904, 906, 907,908 and 909 alone, as they were pure racing cars.
    Peugeot used 905 for their first Le Mans winner in the nineties.
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    Re: Early details for new 911 (991)

    Well, I think this is great and perfect model.

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