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    Quote Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine View Post
    Even those who chose to drive fast arent' going to reach the maximum speed of any of these vehicles.
    There just isnt the clear roads to achieve it.
    Perhaps in an arab state, but then you're fighting air temps and sand ingestion

    So it really does become mine is bigger than yours.
    For circuit, then it's acceleration and handling
    Just these are harder to measure OBjectively.

    PS: handling braking and laptimes are key to me and many others who compete !!
    Just with the normal club track circuits a refinement of a 50 year old Colin Chapman design with a bike engine pretty much makes it
    I know you compete. But you don't compete in a supercar, you compete in an RX-8 (among other vehicles.) Many people compete every weekend, but not in supercars, which was my point. So handling, braking and laptimes that somebody else posted become, once again, mine's bigger than yours.

    Quote Originally Posted by RacingManiac View Post
    The car will hit less top speed on Bonneville, just because of the traction issue, and they do it in a measured distance. Track like Ehra-Lessien lets a car to have faster head start over a longer, paved straight....

    For land speed car its different since they need the extra space to stop.....
    Well if you're not going for an official bonneville record, couldn't you be allowed to run over a longer distance?

    But yeah, like I said earlier I doubt that they'll be able to prove any kind of significant improvement unless they somehow get access to Ehra-Lessein instead of running on a strip of highway in the middle of eastern Washington.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwgkd View Post
    I know you compete. But you don't compete in a supercar, you compete in an RX-8 (among other vehicles.) Many people compete every weekend, but not in supercars, which was my point. So handling, braking and laptimes that somebody else posted become, once again, mine's bigger than yours.
    Ah, mis-read.
    I read it as being about the supercars.
    Thus can only be about "Mine is bigger than yours".
    Real competitors tho' it's not about 'bigger', it's about MEASUREABLE, repeatable, quantifiable driver and car performance.
    THEN you aren't comparing dick-sizes
    VERY few real competitors - oh you get some with fat wallets adn no talent - actually blame their car for results. THey first identify their own mistakes, failing or use their skill/knowledge to make adjsutments for improvements.
    I have competed against folks tho' whose first response on not winning is to scream at their mechanics and sign a blank cheque for a new engine !!
    "all the gear, no idea"

    and what do you mean the RX-8 isn't a supercar ..... them's fighting words
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine View Post
    Ah, mis-read.
    I read it as being about the supercars.
    Thus can only be about "Mine is bigger than yours".
    Real competitors tho' it's not about 'bigger', it's about MEASUREABLE, repeatable, quantifiable driver and car performance.
    THEN you aren't comparing dick-sizes
    VERY few real competitors - oh you get some with fat wallets adn no talent - actually blame their car for results. THey first identify their own mistakes, failing or use their skill/knowledge to make adjsutments for improvements.
    I have competed against folks tho' whose first response on not winning is to scream at their mechanics and sign a blank cheque for a new engine !!
    "all the gear, no idea"
    Unfortunately there are idiots everywhere. If only I could be one of those people with more money than brains...

    Quote Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine View Post
    and what do you mean the RX-8 isn't a supercar ..... them's fighting words
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteballz View Post
    Anyone else notice the profile similarities to the P4/5?
    That's because both this and the P4/5 were designed by the same man It also takes some cues from the Mantide (only some minor ones, though).
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    Here's my take on rather why i am not crazy about this car.

    I feel like this car, like its predecessor, and other cars in the same vein such as the saleen s7, the mossler, the konisegg, etc...all seem more like "kit" cars rather than true production cars. Maybe they are faster or as fast (or just really really fast) as the Veyron but they dont seem like real production cars while the Veyron seems to me to be a "real production car"

    Dont ask me how to differentiate between a real production car and a Kit car because logically i cant really explain it. Its kind of like the "hardcore pornography" standard (I know it when i see it).

    But this is why cars like this dont really excite me. When a "real" manufacturer makes a super car, i get stoked and start making "mine is bigger than yours" comparisons but when someone just makes a badass light kit car with a huge engine in it, i dont get that excited.

    that being said, this does seem to be getting closer and closer to areal production car.
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    This actually looks pretty decent to me. I think the names a bit clunky but thats a detail that can be overlooked.

    So long as the engineering is solid and the results speak for themselves, I'm much more willing to pay attention to this than the previous one that most definately did look like a kit car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roosterjuicer View Post
    Here's my take on rather why i am not crazy about this car.

    I feel like this car, like its predecessor, and other cars in the same vein such as the saleen s7, the mossler, the konisegg, etc...all seem more like "kit" cars rather than true production cars. Maybe they are faster or as fast (or just really really fast) as the Veyron but they dont seem like real production cars while the Veyron seems to me to be a "real production car"

    Dont ask me how to differentiate between a real production car and a Kit car because logically i cant really explain it. Its kind of like the "hardcore pornography" standard (I know it when i see it).

    But this is why cars like this dont really excite me. When a "real" manufacturer makes a super car, i get stoked and start making "mine is bigger than yours" comparisons but when someone just makes a badass light kit car with a huge engine in it, i dont get that excited.

    that being said, this does seem to be getting closer and closer to areal production car.
    Personally, I think cars like this might be more driven to "why" a supercar is build than Veyron. Veyron started out as a design exercise from a pretty picture to a concept car. Handed to a group of engineer and someone(Ferdinand Piech, probably) said, make it happen. All the others you mentioned, at least to my mind, started as some dude dreaming of building a supercar, and end up creating one. Sure I think on the level of execution, they are not on the level of Veyron or McLaren F1, but in that unmeasurable quantity of "passion", they are probably pretty high on that.

    McLaren F1 to me is the ultimate, started out as a dream, and executed to perfection, the Koenigsegg, the Pagani, the SSC or the S7, are like that but without necessarily the detail or execution, but then no one is really like McLaren to be anal to the extreme. Veyron is a committee trying to do a McLaren. Its all very clinical IMO, but in the end less "exciting". And ultimately, from an engineer's point of view, wrong....
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    i think the previous SSC looked like an overblown kit car, this one less so. disagree with S7 and koenigsegg looking like kit cars. mosler.. well yeah.
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    I would say that Pagani's attention to detail is quite extreme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RacingManiac View Post
    Personally, I think cars like this might be more driven to "why" a supercar is build than Veyron. Veyron started out as a design exercise from a pretty picture to a concept car. Handed to a group of engineer and someone(Ferdinand Piech, probably) said, make it happen. All the others you mentioned, at least to my mind, started as some dude dreaming of building a supercar, and end up creating one. Sure I think on the level of execution, they are not on the level of Veyron or McLaren F1, but in that unmeasurable quantity of "passion", they are probably pretty high on that.

    McLaren F1 to me is the ultimate, started out as a dream, and executed to perfection, the Koenigsegg, the Pagani, the SSC or the S7, are like that but without necessarily the detail or execution, but then no one is really like McLaren to be anal to the extreme. Veyron is a committee trying to do a McLaren. Its all very clinical IMO, but in the end less "exciting". And ultimately, from an engineer's point of view, wrong....
    That is the best I've ever heard that said. Well done.

    Also, look into many of these cars and you do see some great details, though the overall development stage is, obviously, much more restricted. Particularly I was taken by the engineering on the S7, with some really cool solutions and attention to details that many people don't generally think of. I think if they had had the budget it could have come close to the McLaren in a lot of ways. Though as you say, McLaren was incredibly anal in their pursuit of the purest supercar out there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by whiteballz View Post
    Anyone else notice the profile similarities to the P4/5?
    Here I am.
    It looks like what the P4/5 wuld have been if it wasn't designed after the Ferrari 330 P4.
    Being designed by the same man (J. Castriota) that could make sense. On the other hand that's not what you should do when designing cars for two separates companies. Many designers went trough a period of their lives when they were evolving their styles and all, and that's absolutely fine as long as those are concepts or cars fromt he same company. I guess.

    It does look good/waaaay-better than before, but I'm a bit confused on the styling. Sounds like a P5/6 more than anything else. Not that it is a bad thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roosterjuicer View Post
    Its kind of like the "hardcore pornography" standard (I know it when i see it).
    Hardcore pornography = penetration.

    Pornography = I know it when I see it.

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    Top Gear article (scans from flickr.com):
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    I didn't read the TG article, so apologies if the following info was in there.

    Autoblog says this car will have a 6.8L TT V8 that revs to 9k and develops 1350 hp. It will also supposedly go 275 mph (~443 km/h) and weigh 2600 lbs...

    Sounds a bit outlandish and like a bunch of lies. This car will be fast, but that fast? That light? That powerful? Rev that high?

    I dunno.

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    that power, with that weight, RWD.. sounds like a few of these will end up in a ditch
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