Made in the USA? Or Not Made in the USA?

[Matra et Alpine]

^^^ Some do if those multinationals aren't American based

Beck's show on "the truth" about China was THE most blatant racist/nationalist outburst against any people/country than I think has happened since the growth of national socialism in Europe in the 30s. He completely failed to recognise that every one of his complaints mirrored the US 60 years ago and the British Empire 100.

My favourtie comments from him were abotu CHina copyign and can't innovate and in the same 5 minutes had mentinoed that CHina now had the fastest supercomputer and that we didn't know how they did it - ( nb we dont. they ahve created a parallel process design different from all the other s and a lot faster ) ? What I love is pcituring his autience who clearly do think laike that

[henk4]

Oddly enough, many righty talkers spend far more time demonizing "greedy" unions and neoliberalism than decrying jobs lost to multinational corporate decisions.

perhaps because the multinationals also blame the unions for their decisions to outsource production? So Fox and the Multinationals have a common enemy.

[Badsight]

Shuffling debt around and creating financial fiction is different than actually making money from productivity.

Outsourcing and then taking profits doesn't help the economy of the country that's doing it. The CEO's will get income from it still, but it puts people out of jobs that they'd otherwise have, producing things domestically.

I really find it disgusting when people make statements like the one you did.

ok - not wanting to single you out , but i find it funny that you say that

as in : where does "money" come from ? the money that pays for good & services IS debt based . it how money works at its most fundamental

& its why you can "make" money without doing anything except for consuming a bit of electricty

[Matra et Alpine]

Bankers will always desribe the economy as "debt based", manufacturer-based economies used to be "investment based".
Once the banking community turned stock PRICE ( not value ) into a gambling option it was inevitable they'd have it twisted to "debt".
My personal view from an investor and manfucturer background

"most fundamental" isn't true in all economic models and philosophies
Only those that the banking industry uses pundits to promote

[Badsight]

economys are not the same thing as money

paper money has no value , its assigned value according to whats printed on the surface . we used to buy & sell with things that had real value.

[pimento]

That's not really correct there Mr Sight.. The real value of something is based on what someone will give you in return for it. If someone will give you a six-pack of your favourite cold ones for $20 (expensive tastes..), then that piece of paper/plastic has a real value.

[Fleet 500]

Where is chocolate made? That's what is really important.

[Badsight]

That's not really correct there Mr Sight.. The real value of something is based on what someone will give you in return for it. If someone will give you a six-pack of your favourite cold ones for $20 (expensive tastes..), then that piece of paper/plastic has a real value.

how you percieve the value of the paper in your wallet isnt really what im talking about

the history of money , & how money is created is a really interesting subject

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money"]Fiat money - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


money is basically debt

[pimento]

Oh, I know all that, cashmonies has a very interesting history. It's just that saying that paper money has no value doesn't really seem correct to me. Just being pedantic.

[Badsight]

yeah , the numbers on the paper is a "collective agreement" that we all abide by

except when "faith" in the agreement slips , whole economys can crash

[Matra et Alpine]

cash was always dependant on that at one time or another the holder of the deposits DID have the value to meet cahs commitments.
That "debt" is healthy.

It's when the investment bankers and some nations (politicians) got greedy and CREATED "different" kinds of 'paper' - contracts that had NO moral or commercial requirement or desire on their part to be balanced.

MOneh is only one very small part of ana economy. One sadly that the banking communities have driven the focus to be on. SOCIAL assets are much more valuable, viable and long term valued ... jstu not by money grabbing financial "wizards"

[pimento]

Money used to be a good way for (certain) people to keep score.. now high scores have become more important than saving the princess and getting the good ending.

[ScionDriver]

If it's the law they shouldn't have broken it, doesn't matter if the law itself is outdated or not.

I know that a lot of "old-timers" (aka Buick Customers) do care that Buicks are made in America and are a good ol'-fashioned American car. That being said I believe that many of these same people are often misinformed about the subject.

I am reminded of my friend whose parents bought a Honda Accord and his aunt said "How could you buy a Japanese car, you're hurting the American worker, that's whY I bought a Chevy." and he said "Yeah, well our Japanese car was built in North Carolina and your Chevy was built in Mexico."