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I dunno about that both coling bond and john bowe when asked about the same thing would they let their boss (in this case allan moffat and dick johnson)through they both answerd hes paying me to do a job....and thats a mentality thatll keep a person in a job sadly.Originally Posted by Daz27
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Well, the trick is to be the one thats in front in points... if your behind your team mate and its coming to the business end of the season then why wouldnt ya help your team mate... Unless your names Juan Pablo Montoya then I guess you wouldnt... Id have no probs helpin out as best I could, but id expect it to be reciprocated if the situation was reversed.
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The total global audience for each F1 race is close to that of the Olymipcs or World Cup, every two weeks or so.
Apparently at one of the European GP's in 1997 2 million people attended the circuit.
In contrast to F1's 4 or 5 hours of live coverage at prime times over a weekend (which is a major achievement for any motoring related subject in the UK), NASCAR gets 1/2 an hour (including advert breaks) at 3am on a weekday, that was untill they replaced it with some "gameshow".
Why do people insist that because NASCAR has more "racing" than F1 it is the best motorsport?
Claiming that NASCAR is better than F1 is a bit like saying eating tissue paper is better than eating newspaper; neither are that great.
There are many other succulent and juicy race series out there, they just don't get any coverage.
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OMG!!!!
Seriously,.....
1st of all and because Americans have a boner for torque,F1 cars have no torque because it's only a 2.4L engine.Torque is directly propotional to displacement.
Then,there's the driving skills thing,which is a complete joke.European drivers(which are far better than American drivers and that's a FACT) chose ChampCar,ALMS or IRL(if they only think of the money).So Nascar has probably the worst drivers in professional racing in America.
Colin McRae once did a Nascar race and finished 6th....just think of it.
An IRL car is not faster than a F1 car.Not in a straight line and not anywhere...
Also,only in France there are more than 4 million people TV viewers every race...
I don't know why people think F1 is boring.There are the best drivers in the world and the best manufacturers battling for the win.There aren't crazy overtakings but I don't think there more in a DTM or WTCC race.
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OMG SERIOUSLY YOUR WRONG their great drivers but they arnt ALL the best, prime example max wilson was prefferd over mark webber (not saying webbers a bad driver his old man would chase me out of the pub) testing in a minardi guess what wilson didnt have the money that webber had thats right this sport revolves around the all mighty green back (like everything else nowdays)
No crazy overtaking....correct me if im wrong but is overtaking which makes a race....we have a class in this country which has minimal passing and is time based called super sprint and i tell you what f1 reminds me alot about that
A fact that european drivers are better? well im not american but i can peal off a number of great drivers from america AJ foyt,mario andretti,dan Gurney and phil Hill now if im not mistaken didnt they shake up the f1 world
And whats your point about McRae? Dick Johnson (5 times attcc winner and 3 time bathurst winner) and Allan Grice (2 time bathurst winner) went over there for an entier series and done extremly well (dick Johnson was really popular there untill he swore on national tv) doesnt mean that nascar drivers are shit far from it they had to work hard to get there (and our guys had to work hard to do well) and suprise suprise the austrlians who raced in nascar really enjoyed the sport go figure it couldent of been fun its nascar
Ohhhh 4 million is that all? last figures in nascar has more fans "domestically" then f1 world wide we had a big article on NASCAR when our 2 time champion marcos ambrose moved to america so if you dispute those figures you can contact a persona named neal crompton and have a winge to him.
DTM has ALOT more passing v8 supercars has alot of passing that is an abvious highlight of these sports and as i mentioned earlier f1 has as much passing as a supersprint.
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Who said they were ALL the best?But Franck Montagny,ex test driver for Renault, was one of the fastest in his first Champ Car test...don't know what this means.
"A fact that european drivers are better?..."
Yeah..the guys you mentioned are far better than Stewart,Prost,Mansell or Hakkinen.Also,I wasn't only talking of F1 drivers.Do Americans have a Sebastien Loeb or Carlos Sainz?A Tom Kristensen?A Walter Röhrl?Ickx?
But I think what really shows how bad American drivers are is that they DON'T WIN anything...not in America,not anywhere.Why do American teams have so many European drivers?
"correct me if im wrong but is overtaking which makes a race"
No.There are many ways to win races.Overtaking is not obligatory.It's more spectacular than overtaking in the pits,that's all.For me,overtaking on the track or overtaking in the pits is the same thing.
"And whats your point about McRae?"
Do you know who Colin McRae is? He spent more time driving on mud and gravel than on race tracks.Do you know what I mean?
"Ohhhh 4 million is that all?"
No...that's only in France.Think of Germany (regularly over 10 million people) or Spain,Italy or Britain.F1 is transmitted in more than 60 countries.
No,DTM has not many overtakings.I suggest you watch some DTM races.
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You did in your previous post no your changeing tact what a suprise but good to see where seeing eye to eye theregreat driver bad luck!) i beleive that euros are great drivers what im diputing is that fact your saying all americans are bad drivers and that is simply not true.
[/QUOTE]"A fact that european drivers are better?..."
Yeah..the guys you mentioned are far better than Stewart,Prost,Mansell or Hakkinen.Also,I wasn't only talking of F1 drivers.Do Americans have a Sebastien Loeb or Carlos Sainz?A Tom Kristensen?A Walter Röhrl?Ickx?
But I think what really shows how bad American drivers are is that they DON'T WIN anything...not in America,not anywhere.Why do American teams have so many European drivers? [/QUOTE] Oh well they where good enough to win at various times and a few of them came away with top 3 or better in the championship and i love the way you avoided my point so your disputing that these where great drivers? also mansell has been beaten in champ cars by a young Al Unser Jr and mario andretti
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In 1980 Mears had tested a Formula One Brabham and had been quicker than the team's lead driver Nelson Piquet. However, as he was expected to bring money to the team, rather than receive a salary, he declined the offer.
Now thats an intresting exert and while Piquet isnt european I personally believe that hes one of the best drivers to put a helmet on so i think that is a rather good thing to add to a resume dont you?
Yes there are alot of European drivers in alot of american races means 2 things they have money or their really really good or both and a classic part of your posting you make it sound like the european drivers are head in shoulders above americans. when it took 10 years for a non american to win CART and he was Brazillian
[/QUOTE]"correct me if im wrong but is overtaking which makes a race"
No.There are many ways to win races.Overtaking is not obligatory.It's more spectacular than overtaking in the pits,that's all.For me,overtaking on the track or overtaking in the pits is the same thing.[/QUOTE] Ok i just think its incredibly lame i have the 89 albert park race with mansel,berger,piquet(and being of austrian descent i wanted berger to win untill a frenchman got in his way) and a number of other greats going hammer and tongs and actually overtaking it was probably one of the most exciting f1 races ive ever seen....something that i find current f1 is lacking.
[/QUOTE]"And whats your point about McRae?"
Do you know who Colin McRae is? He spent more time driving on mud and gravel than on race tracks.Do you know what I mean?[/QUOTE]
Of course i know who MaRae is I think it goes with out saying that a great driver can race anywhere a retierd circut racer i mention eaelier (young Neals on Wheels) came 2nd in class and a top 15 placeing in the rally of my hometown now hes a circut racer of small reputed here and he done well around our local pine forrests Could it be the fact hes talented? or are the rest of the ARC drivers that Chris Atkison dueled with crap (by your small minded definition id say yes).
And on the flip side Ickx was one of the best drivers never to win f1 and is now a very accomplished paris-daker racer as i said accomplished drivers will shine at anything they do.
[/QUOTE]"Ohhhh 4 million is that all?"
No...that's only in France.Think of Germany (regularly over 10 million people) or Spain,Italy or Britain.F1 is transmitted in more than 60 countries.[/QUOTE]
Well American Has my countrys population (26 million and growing) in one city! alone its one of the worlds most desnly populated countrys in the world so my point there was 4 million IN ONE COUNTRY is a mere drop in the ocean
[/QUOTE]No,DTM has not many overtakings.I suggest you watch some DTM races.[/QUOTE] must of caught it on an off day(s) then
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I seriously hope your not trying to say Nascar has more fans in the US than F1 does world wide. Monaco alone attracts over 600million viewers
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Talk to cromly its his statisticim merly quoteing it
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Neil Crompton wasnt just an average driver btw, he won the American Touring car series one year if I recall... If anything, the guy is highly underated for his driving. How many times was he running second at bathurst with team mates who shall remain unnamed, (the names rhyme with Craig Lowndes and Wayne Gardner...) only to be be robbed by a team mate cock up, or a plastic bag or two in the air dam... I can think of about 4 times off the top of my head. Every one goes on about Seton never having won Bathurst, Cromley deserved it just as much. If I was going to get a V8 team together, the first person Id want to get in touch with would be Crompton.
Having said that. Why are we still comparing F1 to Nascar??? There IS NO COMPARISON... might as well be comparing F1 to Motogp and Nascar to ocean sail boat racing.....
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Depends on the wording i suppose. Going by the Monaco TV figure, well its impossible for Nascar to match that on US alone.Talk to cromly its his statistic
China is a huge market though, theyve supposedly got a fair amount of V8 Supercar fans, just none of them were willing to pay a weeks wages to see them in person.
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This is superficially correct - there tend to be more successful Drivers from Europe.
However, this is not due to their nationality - people from Europe are not genetically predetermined to be better drivers - but rather more to do with the fact that Motorsport was concieved in Europe and France, Britain, Germany and Italy have a lot of tracks and facilities, combined with the engineers and teams that build the cars.
It follows that since there are a lot of people building race cars, and a lot of tracks to race them on that there must be a lot of people driving these cars.
Over time the best teams and drivers have all been focussed in Europe, and new drivers are able to learn from the best, and gain even more experience from racing against many other good drivers.
There are many ranks of motorsport in Europe - Formula Renault, Palmer-Audi, F3000, GP2, several Touring car series, many GT series, lots of single make series - Caterhams, Radicals as well as lots of national & international rallying etc, etc.
Due to this drivers in Europe have to be very good if they want to win and reach the top levels of GT & single seater racing.
That isn't to say that drivers can't come from overseas to Europe to start their motorsport careers and be successful - Senna, Villeneuve, Barricello, Montoya, Speed etc, etc all raced in Europe early on.
Chubby Redneck Jr, or whoever else wants to be a NASCAR driver isn't likely to move to Europe where there isn't much oval racing, therefore not much point going there, so is less likely to have so much experience during their early career.
IMHO, etc
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You have absolutely no clue...You did in your previous post no your changeing tact what a suprise but good to see where seeing eye to eye there
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"You did in your previous post no your changeing tact what a suprise but good to see where seeing eye to eye there"
what??say it German
"also mansell has been beaten in champ cars by a young Al Unser Jr and mario andretti"..."it took till 93 for mansell to win.."
Mansell was champion in his first year of ChampCar.Just to let you know...
" Oh well they where good enough to win at various times and a few of them came away with top 3 or better in the championship and i love the way you avoided my point so your disputing that these where great drivers?"
There are thousands of GOOD drivers.I love the way you avoided my point which was,there are many much better drivers than those Americans.
"Of course i know who MaRae is I think it goes with out saying that a great driver can race anywhere"
NO....an average circuit driver is capable of beating a very good rally driver on a track.
"And on the flip side Ickx was one of the best drivers never to win f1 and is now a very accomplished paris-daker racer as i said accomplished drivers will shine at anything they do."
Again,you have no idea what you're talking about.You forgot to mention the 6 LeMans wins....
"...something that i find current f1 is lacking..."
I never said the opposite.I said,that what many people think is exciting about F1 is the FACT that there are the best drivers and the best manufacturers.
"Well American Has my countrys population (26 million and growing) in one city! alone its one of the worlds most desnly populated countrys in the world so my point there was 4 million IN ONE COUNTRY is a mere drop in the ocean"
4 million in 1 of 60 countries....
"Well American Has my countrys population (26 million and growing) in one city"
Oh really?What does that mean?
"because when i used to whatch it in 04/05 I found it similar our domestic races in the way the races went (fair bit of overtakeing and very similar speed)"
Did you notice that more and more overtakings are done in the pits?
Oh and please try to use , ? ; . : ! and so on.
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