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Old 12-08-2008, 10:28 AM
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So what is this idiot of a judge going to do about the above ?

A masterpiece by Degas.
Guess all those rich folks and museum owners are going to find jail hard
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:37 AM
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So what is this idiot of a judge going to do about the above ?

A masterpiece by Degas.
Guess all those rich folks and museum owners are going to find jail hard
that's not a child, nor having sex.

And I guess the artistic fame of the drawer of those hentai can't even being compared to Degas.

Besides, it was quite common that those who now are regarded as artists, were considered perverts at their time.
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:49 AM
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So if I draw a man getting brutally murdered, could I be arrested for murder in Austrlia? If I have someone kill someone else, will that other person get arrested for murder as well?

This opens up an interesting can of worms...
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Old 12-08-2008, 10:50 AM
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Sorry Leon, but as Degas titled the painting "girl drying herself" then I tend to follow his lead !
Perhaps you're jsut used to aneroxic modern girls and women

The point is irrelevant to what they were thought of as a person. It is the content the judge made the decision on. WHO draws it shodul also be irrelevant as justice shodul be blind.
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Old 12-08-2008, 11:15 AM
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So if I draw a man getting brutally murdered, could I be arrested for murder in Austrlia? If I have someone kill someone else, will that other person get arrested for murder as well?

This opens up an interesting can of worms...
I was referring to a plan of killing someone, not just wondering or drawing.
it's not that watching pornographic cartoons with kids as characters is something someone does in the same way I say "I would kill that bastard that just cut my way" when jammed in the traffic.

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Sorry Leon, but as Degas titled the painting "girl drying herself" then I tend to follow his lead !
Perhaps you're jsut used to aneroxic modern girls and women

The point is irrelevant to what they were thought of as a person. It is the content the judge made the decision on. WHO draws it shodul also be irrelevant as justice shodul be blind.
The girl doesn't look young at first glance (I actually don't understand why you considered anorexic women, that was not my point), and even if it could be a young girl, she isn't doing something wrong.

let's even assume someone, even Degas, portrayed kids having sex. just because he is/was an artist it doesn't change that what he portrayed is commonly regarded as disturbing and illegal too.
even considering that he could have just imagined that and later drown it, it's not something really common.

like when I studied Latin at school, and it came out that being a pedophile was common at the time.
now it can even be that the main part of them had that behavior just because it was common, and that probably wouldn't have done that if it was prohibited. so it was a common behavior held just because it was generally regarded as acceptable.

the point is: now child pornography is globally regarded as unmoral and illegal. Those who creates those cartoons are no way artists, those who use those cartoons are surely not interested in the artistic point of view, and are aware of the common though on the matter.
A cartoon is not a kid, and they are not hurting someone. it could be fine, but it could lead to something worst.

alcohol is legal, and we, as human beings, regularly get drunk and put ourself and the others at risk. drugs are usually illegals, but that doesn't change much the fact, but at least you have to "hide" if you want to get dope.

since the introduction of internet the use of pornography saw a incalculable increase, just because now it's available to everyone, everywhere.

I don't want to appear as a moralist, but give people too much of something dangerous, and they are going to exaggerate.
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Old 12-08-2008, 11:26 AM
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I don't want to appear as a moralist, but give people too much of something dangerous, and they are going to exaggerate.
so what next, ? remove everyones frontal lobe ? I mean they might be THINKING about things that are now "bad"
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Old 12-08-2008, 11:30 AM
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so what next, ? remove everyones frontal lobe ? I mean they might be THINKING about things that are now "bad"
besides the fact that someone would be fine without a frontal lobe, what did you mean in the second part?
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Old 12-08-2008, 11:39 AM
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YOU may thingk you're fine with a frontal lobotomy, having met someone with one, I can assure you they aren't

Well if a cartoon is now an offense, how long till you support that someone THINKING about a person becomes illegal ?
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Old 12-08-2008, 12:22 PM
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what has british law and england got to do with this ruling?
why does everyone throw a hissy-fit any time some makes an error talking about calling britain england or vice versa. its common usage in America to call everything in series of islands commonly known as scotland, england, wales, britain, the UK or whatever. you knew what i meant, quit being a crybaby.

the point is that the law from that particular county doesn't apply to japan so the japanese have nothing to worry about.
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Old 12-08-2008, 12:45 PM
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why does everyone throw a hissy-fit any time some makes an error talking about calling britain england or vice versa. its common usage in America to call everything in series of islands commonly known as scotland, england, wales, britain, the UK or whatever. you knew what i meant, quit being a crybaby.

the point is that the law from that particular county doesn't apply to japan so the japanese have nothing to worry about.
There clearly was a misunderstanding, and I think I know why.

rj thought that New South Wales was in the UK, however, it is actually a state in Australia, clutch was asking why that mattered and then you responded with the abover

As for your response, people get pissed because that's not the name of the place that they live in - call it what it is.
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:27 PM
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why does everyone throw a hissy-fit any time some makes an error talking about calling britain england or vice versa. its common usage in America to call everything in series of islands commonly known as scotland, england, wales, britain, the UK or whatever. you knew what i meant, quit being a crybaby.
It's statements like this that contribute to the general belief that Americans are ignorant. It's not very hard to learn the distinction.
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:27 PM
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This is retarded. If anything, the judge is letting the world know hes pretty sick, as he cannot come to terms with the fact that drawings are not people. Either that or hes not doing his job properly, letting his private morals interfere with public policies.

By blurring the line between fantasy and reality...wait, let me rephrase that; By establishing a legal bridge connecting the two ends of the endless abyss that separates the ontological realms of fantasy and reality, this judge is no different than Tsutomu Miyazaki, whose crimes essentially (allegedly) imitated the horror films he collected. Thus encouraging the very same behaviour he intends to fight against by indulging in it.
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Old 12-08-2008, 01:45 PM
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why does everyone throw a hissy-fit any time some makes an error talking about calling britain england or vice versa. its common usage in America to call everything in series of islands commonly known as scotland, england, wales, britain, the UK or whatever. you knew what i meant, quit being a crybaby.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

that is all
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Old 12-08-2008, 02:43 PM
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rj thought that New South Wales was in the UK, however, it is actually a state in Australia, clutch was asking why that mattered and then you responded with the abover
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definitely my mistake then. I read Wales and i figured it was in Britain (is that appropriate? i dont want anyone to cry again) I had no idea there was a Wales in australia (or in the area of australia). my original statement still stands though, the law in New South Wales does not have any affect on Japan.

As to the whole UK/Britain/England/Wales/Scotland/Ireland/whatever else is over there. Is it appropriate to just call the whole thing Britain since its not okay to call it England?

Let the record show that I don't cry every time someone says "America" instead of the United States of America perhaps it wouldn't hurt to develop the same kind of rhetorical toughness.
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Old 12-08-2008, 02:53 PM
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Outlawing this isn't going to change what people like. And we have laws against pedophelia because we don't want people diddling children.

We have people getting killed all the time in videogames and one could argue that murder is worse or as bad as pedophelia, why aren't we outlawing that?



This case is just attempting to legislate morality, which is not the business of the government.
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