Volkswagen Group versus Ford Group

[Aftermarket]

Yeah, the title is clear, which group is better, I mean which one has got better cars?

[IBrake4Rainbows]

This is quite a difficult question, if you think carefully.

Because while Ford group has some decent models (indeed in it's soon to be sold divisions) but it also has some major crapola.

However VAG is a large automotive group which, for the most part, releases the same car in different clothing. with a few bright sparks (the New Audi R8, for instance).

I think they're too different to compare, personally.

[Aftermarket]

But we can compare the same class cars, cant we?

For example Suv class?

[IBrake4Rainbows]

SUV class again there are many different competitors.

Porsche Cayenne
VW Tourag (sp?)
Land Rover LR3/Discovery
Ford Expedition
Ford Explorer
Lincoln Navigator

The list goes on.

Out of those i'd probably go the Land rover. So Ford wins that round.

[Ferrer]

This is quite a difficult question, if you think carefully.

Because while Ford group has some decent models (indeed in it's soon to be sold divisions) but it also has some major crapola.

However VAG is a large automotive group which, for the most part, releases the same car in different clothing. with a few bright sparks (the New Audi R8, for instance).

I think they're too different to compare, personally.

Ford itself has very decent products, like the Mondeo or the S-Max. Altough I agree that it would be a daunting task to compare the whole of both groups.

[Ingolstadt]

VW.

The justification, is that VW Group's products are generally engineered, designed by VW engineers, and shared throughout the group. Ford on the other hand, relies alot on the subsidiaries that they bought over, in which they (Ford US) almost did nothing in helping except giving annual expenditure budgets. Ford UK operates almost independantly, Aston Martin is non of their business, not to say Volvo or Mazda. In fact, Ford US merely buys them over and scour for whatever that's good in their parts bin... it's just like GM - look at how Saab is doing.. poor swedes.

A good Land Rover doesn't mean Ford's good. But a Q7, or Gallardo, 1.8T, Bentley, Bugatti - had very very strong VW genes injected.

[Ferrer]

VW.

The justification, is that VW Group's products are generally engineered, designed by VW engineers, and shared throughout the group. Ford on the other hand, relies alot on the subsidiaries that they bought over, in which they (Ford US) almost did nothing in helping except giving annual expenditure budgets. Ford UK operates almost independantly, Aston Martin is non of their business, not to say Volvo or Mazda. In fact, Ford US merely buys them over and scour for whatever that's good in their parts bin... it's just like GM - look at how Saab is doing.. poor swedes.

A good Land Rover doesn't mean Ford's good. But a Q7, or Gallardo, 1.8T, Bentley, Bugatti - had very very strong VW genes injected.

I'd say that on brands like Lamborghini, Bentley and Bugatti having having main company genes is at least unfortunate. In that respect Ford managed their premium brands significantly better (X-Type excepted).

[Ingolstadt]

I'd say that on brands like Lamborghini, Bentley and Bugatti having having main company genes is at least unfortunate. In that respect Ford managed their premium brands significantly better (X-Type excepted).

Such a comment from Ferrer utterly means - I like it the old way, in which the better you meant in this sense means = Leave them alone.

Which for Ford US' case, is not because they intended to do so 'cleverly'; but rather being clueless.

Hence clueless = better for ferrer

oh, and it rhymes.

[Cotterik]

At the moment, VW. My dad's had a GT-TDi golf for 3 years and the build quality amongst everything else is amazing. He's upgrading to the new 170hp GT-Sport in august. Nothing comes close to the golf for value for money and performance these days. We've test drove audi's, bmw's, even the new mondeo and they just dont have what VW has.

[Aftermarket]

Are you sure? I think bmw and audi is much better than a "public wagen"

[drakkie]

Are you sure? I think bmw and audi is much better than a "public wagen"

Being lead by brand image is never too good of a thing..

And why didn't you call it the Porsche Group by the way... They own VAG

[Aftermarket]

Being lead by brand image is never too good of a thing..

And why didn't you call it the Porsche Group by the way... They own VAG

İt doesnt matter but..Ok, lets say "P group". But ı dont understand "Brand image?"

[Ingolstadt]

I bet you're from the states.

[my porsche]

I think of the American manufacturers Ford easily has the best build quality and interiors, but GM beats it on exterior designs. But the German build quality is just so far beyond anything the Americans can come up with that PVAG wins this easily.

[nota]

But the German build quality is just so far beyond anything the Americans can come up with that PVAG wins this easily.

Australian-market Ford Fiestas are sourced from Germany. Yet our VW Golf is manufactured in South Africa, and the previous-gen VW Polo was supplied to us from China