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    Saab Sonett (Aero X concept) cleared for production!!!

    There's been a bit of talk going on in various publications about a possible new Sonett, based loosely (or not so loosely) on the Aero-X.

    Saabscene have a thread going on, which includes a snippet from the August issue of Road & Track (the August issue is out already? in June?):


    Saab's jet-inspired sports car concept - the Aero X (see Ampersand, May 2006) - has reportedly been cleared for production, according to our sources. The rear- or all-wheel drive Audi TT rival (possibly called the Sonett) will go on sale in two years, as a 2-seat convertible first and later as a 2+2 coupe.

    As you can see from the image, there is a lot of Aero X in the Sonett, despite replacing the concept's canopy-style roof with a power folding soft-top. The Sonett will feature a wraparound windscreen, an aerodynamic front end, flared wheel arches, and a chopped tail. The coupe's rear seats will be suitable for short trips or extra luggage space.

    If the Sonett reminds a bit of the Saturn Sky, that's because it's based on GM's Kappa platform, which currently serves the Sky, Pontiac Solstice and Opel [Vauxhall for you folks] GT convertibles. The base engine will be a 2.0-liter turbo four with about 200 bhp, with Saab's 250-bhp 2.8-liter turbo V-6 with awd the top choice. Transmission options include a 6-speed manual and a VW/Audi DSG-style twin-clutch system.

    Saab's engineers are expected to tune the handling of the Sonett to proper sports-car levels, with sharp steering and high handling limits from the chassis.

    Mike Monticello


    This comes on top of Auto Motor and Sport also claiming a roadster/coupe model is in the pipeline. They date the release as coming in 2008 AND they give us an artist's impression:



    So, we have one speculative picture and two speculative reports. Time to sort the wheat from the chaff, based on what we've heard before and what we know about GM and it's resources.

    Point No. 1.
    The Road and Track report (above) states that the new car will be built on the Kappa platform and will be available with AWD available in the premium model.

    I have two issues with this.

    First up, Kappa is a RWD platform. I haven't read anywhere that it's incapable of accepting AWD, but it's a fairly compact platform from what I can tell. I'm not an engineer or anything, but AWD requires a certain amount of space for fitmet of the various component parts. Regardless of the space issue, Kappa has been presented as a RWD-only platform thus far.

    Secondly, back in late 2005, a few months prior to the Aero-X release, there was a lot of speculation as to the possibility of a Kappa-based roadster for Saab. This was in the wake of the Pontiac Solstice coming online etc etc. In November 2005, Jay Spenchian was the subject of an article at Edmunds. The article stated the following....

    Jay Spenchian has revealed to Edmunds that a Saab variant from the Kappa platform that underpins the Pontiac Solstice, a possibility that had been received with great enthusiasm, is no longer part of the future plan for Saab.
    Note: not on Kappa. Not necessarily dead all together, just not on Kappa.

    A little later on we learned more about the fact that there may be a Sonett inspired car at Geneva. The car that turned out to be the Aero-X. What also surfaced at this time was the following:

    ....insiders say Saab now expects to tap German sibling Opel for a front-wheel-drive platform — specifically, the sporting chassis that underpins the new Astra OPC coupe that was revealed earlier this year at the Geneva show.
    The Saab sportster, which reportedly was developed by former design boss Michael Mauer before he left to head Porsche's design department, will likely be unveiled next spring at the 2006 Geneva show.

    The Saab two-seater may share Opel's turbocharged 2.0-liter four-cylinder, which makes 240 horsepower, or it may accommodate one of the Swedish firm's turbocharged V6 engines. A six-speed manual gearbox will be standard.


    It's hard to know what parts of this we can take and use. Mauer didn't design the Aero-X, for example. But if the rest is accurate, then it's possible that we're looking towards the Delta platform that underpins the Astra OPC. A fine looking liitle thing if you're that way inclined.

    But again we may have platform/AWD problems as Delta's a compact FWD platform.

    I have a feeling that the answer may even lie in Epsilon. See Point 3 below.

    Point No 2
    The Auto Motor and Sport article raised the possibility of the following model developments:

    - Saab 9-4X (spring 2007)
    - Saab 9-5 (autumn 2007)
    - roadster/coupé with Aero-X heritage (2008)
    - Saab 9-1 (2008)
    - Saab 9-3 (2009)

    I don't want to be a wet blanket here, but that's a heck of a lot more model development than has ever been mentioned before in relation to Saab. I'm not saying it's impossible, but I tend to think it's highly improbable.

    GM head honchos have previously stated that the priorities for Saab are the 9-4x and then possibly the smaller, more entry level 9-1. Obviously the redevelopment of the core 9-5 and 9-3 are priorities too.

    Is GM Europe really going to resource Saab to the point of doing all four of these (re)developments and develop a brand new niche roadster/coupe as well? it's not just the money, but also the time factor too. Model development takes plenty of time and with all the resources that went into recent concepts, I can't see more than the two brand new models we've already been told are priorities.

    I'm told, quite reliably, that we can look forward to no new concepts at the Paris Auto Show later this year because of the time taken up with the Aero-X and Hybrid Convertible over the preceeding 12 to 18 months. These things take resources, and as we all know (except children and the Hiltons) - resources are finite.

    Point No. 3
    I tend to think that the money's going to go into the primary four mentioned above as priorities, with the 9-3 Convertible perhaps getting a retractable hardtop. The Epsilon II platform is going to be AWD capable and the Aero-X styling is supposed to make it's way into the coming Saab model range. It already fits a V6 with no problems and the adaptation of the convertible into a sportier model would then kill two birds with one stone.

    I just can't see GM spending the money, nor having the time to undertake such a comprehensive model program for a player as small as Saab.

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    These are just my thoughts on the whole recent new Sonett thing, but they're based on what we've seen and heard from GM in recent months. If it means we can drive a Sonett around in the near future then I'll be quite pleased to be proved wrong.

    It's certainly going to be interesting to see what develops.

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    UPDATE: For those of you who don't read comments....

    This from commenter John Patrick, whom I don't know, but whose contribution is certainly quite interesting and tends to confirm that the aforementioned magazines are indulging in some sensationalism and guesswork:


    As someone in the biz..and work with someone who was very close to the deciders..i can say without hesitation that there is NO Sonnett or convert in the pipeline at all especially after the Kappa was cancelled..your timeline is fairly close on the 9-4. but 9-5 will be calendar year 08. The 08 9-3 will have the Aero X inspired front end and tailight design with full width design almost exactly like concept, plus the C pillar will have a "floating buttress" design as well. Plus coming sooner is the AWD version of the Combi 9-3. Then 9-4X - then new 9-5 and if everything goes as planned a redone 9-3. The earliest the 9-2 replacement would be 2010 and even that is questionable. But sadly no Sonnett in the plans or works..of course there have been rumors.but sadly thats all it is. The Kappa platform was cancelled because the dimensions and the structure would not be capable to accept all of the engineering changes Saab wanted. If they had proceeded the car would have had a 9 gallon fuel tank and that is only one of many shortcomings of the platform. I just wanted to not get peoples hopes up too high when a Sonnett does not appear anytime soon.
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    Sweeeeet! Right as Nissan Renault buy into GM!

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    Oh and its july...

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    bullshit

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    I like it, but its just another example of GM taking a platform and overusing it. So now there is a Pontiac Solstice, an Opel Solstice, a Saturn Solstice and now the Saab Solstice. Same car, different badge and name and price.

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    I love the Aero X, but I don't think that it should be produced under the Sonett name.

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    Yeah precisely, same way the "Opel Solstice" shouldn't be made under the GT name. Blasphemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScionDriver
    I like it, but its just another example of GM taking a platform and overusing it. So now there is a Pontiac Solstice, an Opel Solstice, a Saturn Solstice and now the Saab Solstice. Same car, different badge and name and price.
    if the saab does become awd and with a saab engine its enough of a different car for me. for me though this one and the saturn are all they need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScionDriver
    I like it, but its just another example of GM taking a platform and overusing it. So now there is a Pontiac Solstice, an Opel Solstice, a Saturn Solstice and now the Saab Solstice. Same car, different badge and name and price.
    enough to fool the amrican buyer, they've been doing it for decades... and it WORKS! Its a shame though...

    On the other hand, the car does look quite good.
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    This isn't anything surprising, considering it's GM...

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    So basically it's yet another Kappa roadster, but this time with the Aero-X face? Could be worse, this is my favourite looking of the lot.

    And I don't get what the writer's problem with it is. Do they want it to be F, R or AWD? Or that they don't know what it's going to be? It doesn't seem to make a lot of sense to me and they seem to be crapping on about Kappa and AWD for a while, clearly ignorant of the fact that Kappa was designed as a RWD platform, not AWD, to take on the MX-5 and similar cars.
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    I think they were thinking about a Chevy version too to slot under the Camaro.

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    GM was trying to force Kappa on Saab, before Kappa was basicly killed off.

    Saab objected heavily as they prefer FWD or AWD and won't ever have a RWD car in their range if they can help it.
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    sonett..

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    Those look pretty cool
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