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Old 05-05-2011, 11:35 PM
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Old 05-06-2011, 01:47 AM
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ALong with crisis I applaud your words and sentiment csl.

It was a thing of WW2 where many supressed their feelings only to come out later.
Only in his last few years of life as he struggled did we have heart-to-hearts when he openly admitted what he saw and endured as a Hurricane pilot. I cried as at the age of 81 he could look at his signing out parade photo at fighter training and name every person and to the man give explicit details of how they died in action with him. Only 7 from 80 survived a 2 year period. Puts all the ra-ra BS from todays kids into context.

NI is too soon for many still and I think many tales will be told to families in the years to come on that and in 40 years time on our current bravado-filled youngsters

That is the sad legacy wars leave with us.
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csl177 that is very well put. Neither the hawks nor the doves can or should assume to speak on behalf of how all servicemen feel. They are after all individuals and will view it all through their own eyes, in relation to their own experiences, beliefs and values. And they nor any of us should have to tow any governments line when for the most part those lines serve duplicitous and conflicting interests.
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Old 05-06-2011, 04:02 AM
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Forthed. Matra, csl, crisis.. yes. From the very few things my mum's dad has said about WW2, I'm thoroughly in your camp here. I have no ill will to any service men and women out there, but I believe those in power that can really make a difference let us down in these situations.

War doesn't determine who wins, it determines those that lose.
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csl177 that is very well put. Neither the hawks nor the doves can or should assume to speak on behalf of how all servicemen feel. They are after all individuals and will view it all through their own eyes, in relation to their own experiences, beliefs and values. And they nor any of us should have to tow any governments line when for the most part those lines serve duplicitous and conflicting interests.
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Well Spoken, csl177. Very well spoken.
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