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Old 09-23-2012, 03:10 AM
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2012 Singapore Grand Prix (Sept 21 - 23)

Vettel dominated the free practice sessions but it was Hamilton who grabbed pole:

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Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m50.566 24
2. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m50.615s + 0.049 15
3. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m51.459s + 0.893 17
4. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m51.525s + 0.959 20
5. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m51.576s + 1.010 20
6. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m51.655s + 1.089 19
7. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m51.658s + 1.092 24
8. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m51.943s + 1.377 21
9. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m52.275s + 1.709 24
10. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m52.296s + 1.730 19
11. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m52.629s + 2.063 25
12. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m52.716s + 2.150 16
13. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m52.839s + 2.273 23
14. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m52.986s + 2.420 21
15. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m53.028s + 2.462 20
16. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m53.080s + 2.514 17
17. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m53.189s + 2.623 25
18. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m53.227s + 2.661 25
19. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m54.908s + 4.342 20
20. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m55.091s + 4.525 16
21. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m55.335s + 4.769 22
22. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m55.760s + 5.194 22
23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m56.656s + 6.090 21
24. Ma Qing Hua HRT-Cosworth 1m58.053s + 7.487 20

Singapore GP: Sebastian Vettel sets the pace in opening practice - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
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Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m48.340 27
2. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m48.651s + 0.311 24
3. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m48.896s + 0.556 26
4. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m48.964s + 0.624 26
5. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m49.086s + 0.746 28
6. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m49.300s + 0.960 30
7. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m49.339s + 0.999 31
8. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m49.790s + 1.450 32
9. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m50.039s + 1.699 28
10. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m50.161s + 1.821 23
11. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m50.263s + 1.923 23
12. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m50.345s + 2.005 24
13. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m50.636s + 2.296 32
14. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m50.791s + 2.451 26
15. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m51.122s + 2.782 28
16. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m51.450s + 3.110 21
17. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m51.452s + 3.112 11
18. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m52.00$s + 3.669 31
19. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m52.218s + 3.878 29
20. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m52.576s + 4.236 27
21. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m52.863s + 4.523 27
22. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m52.936s + 4.596 25
23. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m54.448s + 6.108 25
24. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m54.514s + 6.174 30

Singapore GP: Sebastian Vettel stays on top in second Friday practice - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
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Pos Driver Team Time Laps
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m47.947 15
2. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m48.272s + 0.325 15
3. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m48.623s + 0.676 11
4. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m48.859s + 0.912 16
5. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m48.865s + 0.918 17
6. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m49.458s + 1.511 13
7. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m49.684s + 1.737 15
8. Nico Rosberg Mercedes 1m49.699s + 1.752 16
9. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault 1m49.715s + 1.768 14
10. Michael Schumacher Mercedes 1m49.981s + 2.034 14
11. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m50.110s + 2.163 12
12. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m50.524s + 2.577 10
13. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m50.664s + 2.717 16
14. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m50.777s + 2.830 15
15. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m50.840s + 2.893 15
16. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m51.012s + 3.065 15
17. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m51.059s + 3.112 17
18. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m51.272s + 3.325 10
19. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m52.290s + 4.343 16
20. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m53.781s + 5.834 12
21. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m54.326s + 6.379 14
22. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m54.421s + 6.474 14
23. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m54.630s + 6.683 9
24. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m54.875s + 6.928 14

Singapore GP: Sebastian Vettel fastest again in final practice - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
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Originally Posted by Qualifying
Pos Driver Team Time Gap
1. Lewis Hamilton McLaren-Mercedes 1m46.362s
2. Pastor Maldonado Williams-Renault 1m46.804s + 0.442
3. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull-Renault 1m46.905s + 0.543
4. Jenson Button McLaren-Mercedes 1m46.939s + 0.577
5. Fernando Alonso Ferrari 1m47.216s + 0.854
6. Paul di Resta Force India-Mercedes 1m47.241s + 0.879
7. Mark Webber Red Bull-Renault 1m47.475s + 1.113
8. Romain Grosjean Lotus-Renault 1m47.788s + 1.426
9. Michael Schumacher Mercedes no time
10. Nico Rosberg Mercedes no time
Q2 cut-off time: 1m47.943s Gap **
11. Nico Hulkenberg Force India-Mercedes 1m47.975s + 1.310
12. Kimi Raikkonen Lotus-Renault 1m48.261s + 1.596
13. Felipe Massa Ferrari 1m48.344s + 1.679
14. Sergio Perez Sauber-Ferrari 1m48.505s + 1.840
15. Daniel Ricciardo Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m48.774s + 2.109
16. Jean-Eric Vergne Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1m48.849s + 2.184
17. Bruno Senna Williams-Renault no time
Q1 cut-off time: 1m49.809s Gap *
18. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1m49.933s + 2.245
19. Vitaly Petrov Caterham-Renault 1m50.846s + 3.158
20. Heikki Kovalainen Caterham-Renault 1m51.137s + 3.449
21. Timo Glock Marussia-Cosworth 1m51.370s + 3.682
22. Charles Pic Marussia-Cosworth 1m51.762s + 4.074
23. Narain Karthikeyan HRT-Cosworth 1m52.372s + 4.684
24. Pedro de la Rosa HRT-Cosworth 1m53.355s + 5.667

Singapore GP: Lewis Hamilton beats Maldonado to pole at Marina Bay - F1 news - AUTOSPORT.com
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:09 AM
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Schumacher should retire. Best piece of car control ever by Massa. Alonso has a good chance of winning the title if he or the team doesn't **** up.
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:13 AM
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Bleh, the snotty brat wins again. He is good there though.

Thought maybe Buttons better tire management would help him the last several laps.
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Old 09-23-2012, 07:35 AM
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Alonso is the best driver on the grid, and he has been for some time by my reckoning. It looks like he will get the title this year. I keep pulling for Kimi; he seems so close to getting a win but it just never pans out.

Real hard luck for Pastor and Hammy.

That was a long-ass race. F1 sometimes makes me appreciate the sprint nature of MotoGP.
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Old 09-23-2012, 10:39 AM
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Alonso is the best driver on the grid, and he has been for some time by my reckoning.
I agree.

Maybe in terms of raw speed Hamilton is slightly ahead, but in terms of the overall package he is the best in F1 right now (and for some time as you say).
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Old 09-23-2012, 11:28 AM
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In raw speed, I would put Kimi on a good day up there too.

Alonso may even be faster on raw speed. He just only uses 100% seemingly when shit needs to get done.

Kimi is inconsistent and Hamilton is impetuous.

Alonso is lightning quick all the time.
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Thought maybe Buttons better tire management would help him the last several laps.
Button lost his advantage when he had to pit under the safety car. I think he could have run longer again on that set of tyres, so he would have had fresher tyres towards the end.
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In raw speed, I would put Kimi on a good day up there too.

Alonso may even be faster on raw speed. He just only uses 100% seemingly when shit needs to get done.

Kimi is inconsistent and Hamilton is impetuous.

Alonso is lightning quick all the time.
I like Kimi, but I feel that somewhat his time on F1 has passed (not to the pathetic extent of Mr. Schumacher, though). I'd like to seem him fight for the championship, but I doubt it'll happen.

I think that Hamilton is the driver, much like Clark, Senna or McRae. This might result in crashes and retirement due to abuse, but on a good day nothing can touch them.

Alonso on the other hand is more like Prost or Sainz. Undoubtedly fast, but even better if the equipment isn't really perfect. They are also able to develop a mediocre car into a winning machine. They are consistent, but usually not very spectacular.
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I like Kimi, but I feel that somewhat his time on F1 has passed

Pretty ridiculous statement considering without a win, he is sitting 3rd in points on his return to F1 and not in a McLaren, Ferrari, or Red Bull.....

Give Kimi a fast enough car he can still win. Renault is simply not quite fast enough yet week in and week out. They are closer in some races and much further off in others...

Schumacher is having a odd ball year....he is faster than he was since comeback, but he is having more silly driver error.

After a few years of pretty stellar reliability with the current style of cars, more and more cars starting to have reliability issues, I wonder if its a sign of how hard the teams are pushing as the gap in performance between cars are so small....

Kinda boring race overall, punctuated by some pretty good wheel to wheel stuff...
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I wouldn't necessarily say Alonso is the fastest driver on the grid, but he is much more calculating than most of the grid, backed up by raw talent. You hardly ever see him crash or lose his control, he is always level headed. Not to mention, he has a great demeanor, which alot of his contemporaries are lacking.
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Pretty ridiculous statement considering without a win, he is sitting 3rd in points on his return to F1 and not in a McLaren, Ferrari, or Red Bull.....

Give Kimi a fast enough car he can still win. Renault is simply not quite fast enough yet week in and week out. They are closer in some races and much further off in others...
I'm not saying he isn't fast, but it feels to me that he has lost a bit of the ultimate bite that sets apart a great racing driver from a good one.

Also, continously talking about life outside F1, is not a good sign.

I also get the sensation that he is in third more because of rival's mistakes rather than ouright pace.

Then again, I could be completely wrong.
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I also get the sensation that he is in third more because of rival's mistakes rather than ouright pace.
By that logic, Alonso is also not deserving of his position in the championship.
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Kimi is the last true character in F1, though. I don't even know for sure why I started following Kimi. Maybe because Hakkinen was about to retire and because he was a dark horse back then when he was given a four-race permission in his debut year. He was not a wallet, but a 'fast guy', and he proved that on many occasions. On the other hand, his habit of not caring about the media makes him favour IMO. While it may be not too pleasant for interviewers to be nearly ignored and receive Y/N answers, he shows that he's a driver and a human on first place, not just somebody's commercial product. I also can't recall him whining about his teams, unlike some others when they do not succeed. His return to F1 brought maybe even more talks and speculations than Schumacher's second coming, and that's for reason. I believe he can still win races and battle for championships if he does not lose his motivation again and go elsewhere. Still, if (or when?) that happens, I wish to see him in endurance racing one day - his steel nerves and driving abilities would be greatly appreciated there. Before that, however, I want to see him in a faster car, not sure Enstone can handle one more season like this next year - they seem to be very up and down all the time.
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Before that, however, I want to see him in a faster car, not sure Enstone can handle one more season like this next year - they seem to be very up and down all the time.
I want him in a championship winning car. Basically like what you say.

If somehow magic befalls this year, maybe he can somehow pull it off.
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He has done that already in 2007, why not to do it the same way again?

In other news, I was surprised to hear that Robert Kubica has won a rallysprint event driving an Impreza a week or two ago and plans to enter more events this year. He's a man of will, I truly admire him.

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