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Thread: Why they didn't make a V-12 based on an existing V-8 for the Dodge Viper?

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    Quote Originally Posted by csl177 View Post
    The biggest difference between Dodge and Ford V10s was the Triton was a fresh sheet of paper design and OHC; Dodge based theirs on the 318 OHV V8. Both make good torque, the Triton gets slightly better fuel economy. Roughly the same dimensions so yes, packaging issues VS torque needed for trucks obviated any reason to produce V12s
    Fords V10 is based off the 5.4L V8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by group c n b man View Post
    However he stubbornly thinks that the much higher buying cost of an Audi 3.0tdi or BMW 330d would negate any fuel saving advantages.
    Or more likely, that he can't stand the UK image of w@nkers in Audi and Beemer oil burners.

    You cant put a price on fun
    The RX-8 would LOVE to think it could one day get 300 miles from a full tank but I ain't gonna let THAT happen !!!!

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    clsman,
    US fuel prices are not subsidized directly. Yes, we don't add things like the cost of defending fuel supplies to the cost per gallon but we are also not like some oil producing countries where the fuel is sold below manufacture's cost. Even without, you are right and effectively reiterated my point. Fuel economy standards don't encourage efficiency. High prices do.

    group c n b,
    I wouldn't claim US prices are high compared to anywhere else. I think prices right now are similar but not quite as high as Europe was in the late 90s when oil was cheap. However, fuel prices have gone up nearly 300% in the last 10 years. That price increase has been enough to make many people pay attention more than they used to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fpv_gtho View Post
    Fords V10 is based off the 5.4L V8.
    Or even the 4.6, though development of the V10 was concurrent with the V8. AFAIK Ford's Romeo/Windsor engines being OHC share nothing with their OHV predecessors. Worth noting that the Koenigsegg CCR utilizes a DOHC engine from this series.

    Regarding fuel subsidies in the US, it's more than just protecting crude sources around the globe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine View Post
    Or more likely, that he can't stand the UK image of w@nkers in Audi and Beemer oil burners.

    You cant put a price on fun
    The RX-8 would LOVE to think it could one day get 300 miles from a full tank but I ain't gonna let THAT happen !!!!

    The days of parents leaving money for kids is gone and we're gonna spend it having our own fun Live with it
    He's 48 years old now, he must grow up and stop driving around in a pseudo rally car. The reason he sticks to it is becasue he wants something fast 4wd and cheap. You probably won't be able to find any other newish car that does 0-60 in just over 5 seconds, is 4wd and doesn't cost more than £13k. Any alternative "nice" car either: Is slower than what he has currently, Is much more expensive, lacks 4wd or is older than what he has currently. Audis - too expensive, BMWs- too expensive and lack 4wd, Jaguar- No way, Hot Hatch of some description - slower than than the Subaru. If he did fewer miles then an Evo would be an option but they're just horrid. The only other cars that could fit the bill would be the original Audi RS4 or a Nissan Skyline R34. Both of which are significantly older than the Scoob.

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    Object to that ..... WHY must he "grow up" ?
    besides, what's not grown up about driving a fast car ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine View Post
    Object to that ..... WHY must he "grow up" ?
    besides, what's not grown up about driving a fast car ?
    Mainly just irrational, preconceived ideas of mine Most of my dad's driving miles are spent on the M8 or M90 going back and forward from down here up to Aberdeen every once or twice a week. It's not as if this is the type of environment best suited to a Subaru. Ofcourse it's his choice but if it were my commute, I'd buy something a bit more refined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csl177 View Post
    Or even the 4.6, though development of the V10 was concurrent with the V8. AFAIK Ford's Romeo/Windsor engines being OHC share nothing with their OHV predecessors. Worth noting that the Koenigsegg CCR utilizes a DOHC engine from this series.

    Regarding fuel subsidies in the US, it's more than just protecting crude sources around the globe.
    The oil companies did get nice tax breaks which I guess also counts though that's only recently. I don't see what you are really claiming to be a subside. The US isn't like Venezuela where the price of gas is directly subsidized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by group c n b man View Post
    Most of my dad's driving miles are spent on the M8 or M90 going back and forward from down here up to Aberdeen every once or twice a week. It's not as if this is the type of environment best suited to a Subaru.
    I'm betting he regularly goes the A93 .... I do for the fun
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    Quote Originally Posted by group c n b man View Post
    He's 48 years old now, he must grow up and stop driving around in a pseudo rally car. The reason he sticks to it is becasue he wants something fast 4wd and cheap. You probably won't be able to find any other newish car that does 0-60 in just over 5 seconds, is 4wd and doesn't cost more than £13k. Any alternative "nice" car either: Is slower than what he has currently, Is much more expensive, lacks 4wd or is older than what he has currently. Audis - too expensive, BMWs- too expensive and lack 4wd, Jaguar- No way, Hot Hatch of some description - slower than than the Subaru. If he did fewer miles then an Evo would be an option but they're just horrid. The only other cars that could fit the bill would be the original Audi RS4 or a Nissan Skyline R34. Both of which are significantly older than the Scoob.
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    Why stop at 12 cylinders?

    Where are the V16's?

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    V10 was a cheap way to get into some big-block power, and it's worked well for the Viper. It's a quirky car anyway, so I actually think the V10 is a great fit. I could see a V12 coming from Cadillac - the two seem right together - but not so much for a sportscar in the land of the V8. See: Ford GT, Corvette, et. al.
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    Aloser,
    I appreciate the knowledge you are showing in many of your posts but is it really necessarily to drag up so many long dormant threads?

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    Eh, no big. It doesn't bother me like it seems to for so many people.
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