Audi TT RS

[LeonOfTheDead]

And becuase it's the first rear drive Alfa in about 320 years. And because the V8 sounds a bit like heaven. And because, who wants a flaccid Maserati or an obvious Ferrari when you can have a maginifnicent Alfa Romeo. And because without Alfa Romeo you wouldn't have Ferrari. And because Alfa Romeo's CEO sacrifised part of Alfa's marketing budget to build it. And because if anything the Spider looks even more epic than the berlinetta.

And on top of all that it's an Alfa Romeo.

me and you, yes, we like it also for those reasons. otherwise it's just the exotic/italian version of a "zOmg LOL GT-R!!!"
everyone's claiming it's wonderful, beautiful, technically advanced, based on a Ferrari, based on a Maserati, a true Alfa, the fastest front engine rwd car on the market, etc etc etc without even knowing how it looks for real.
they almost succeeded making me dislike this car

[Ferrer]

me and you, yes, we like it also for those reasons. otherwise it's just the exotic/italian version of a "zOmg LOL GT-R!!!"
everyone's claiming it's wonderful, beautiful, technically advanced, based on a Ferrari, based on a Maserati, a true Alfa, the fastest front engine rwd car on the market, etc etc etc without even knowing how it looks for real.
they almost succeeded making me dislike this car

Don't worry, none of this matters.

The definitive test is this, in Montecarlo's Casino Square arriving in a Ferrari will make the valet parking think you are another asshole who's been doing well at work. In an 8C he's going to know you're the bussiness.

[Zytek_Fan]

Not bad, but too bad it's fitted with a Haldex diff

[NicFromLA]

I have driven only one VW car so your view is more illuminating, but no less, I think that pretty much all the German Big Luxury 3 have are "beautifully built and have excellent paint work." Ferrer has taught me of the dead steering feel of udis- maybe indicative of luxury cars but I'd wager Bimmers are better to drive (it seems you agree) and if you want mad luxury you go to Benz - Audi I see as somewhat in the middle and not really as good as either of the other two.

As for the A8 leading the class in your view, I think that's surprising to hear as the engine seems maybe a bit small/lacking in torque in comparison to the fire breathers AMG and BMW have to offer but I could be wrong I also just think of the other two offerings as better for some reason. I'd have pegged the S-Class 1, 7 Series 2, and the A8 bringing up the rear, although this is speculation.

What was it about the A8/S8 that you valued so highly and why would you put it as class leader?

I am not sure you have to drive SEATs or Skodas as they are just badge engineered VWs with different interiors and potentially other things (I am not too knowledgeable on these two).

I think the interior quality on MB has been terrible lately, on the other end I have not been impressed with BMW's paint work, I think Audi does both of them brilliantly. The A3 and A8 are fun to drive, the A4 (I haven't driven the current one, just the previous) and the A6 are a little boring to drive, but are very pleasant and luxurious. Keep in mind: NOTHNG beats a 3 Series.

The advantage the A8 has is that it's lighter than the S or 7 which negates the need for the massive torque and makes the car a better handler. And if you really need that torque the A8 W12 is priced much less than the S600 or 760iL for what I consider to be a better car. I also think the Audi is the best looking.

[092326001]

i like it

[Rockefella]

As for the A8 leading the class in your view, I think that's surprising to hear as the engine seems maybe a bit small/lacking in torque in comparison to the fire breathers AMG and BMW have to offer but I could be wrong I also just think of the other two offerings as better for some reason. I'd have pegged the S-Class 1, 7 Series 2, and the A8 bringing up the rear, although this is speculation.

The S8 has a Gallardo-derived engine, if you want to bring AMG into the picture. Audi's getting too much hate here.. they're not building sports cars. They make luxury cars with a good bit of power for when you want to put your foot down. The average businessman doesn't care about weight or g's in cornering. If the companies catered to that nonsense then they'd be bankrupt.

[NicFromLA]

The average businessman doesn't care about weight or g's in cornering. If the companies catered to that nonsense then they'd be bankrupt.

On the contrary, they like a little bit in their sport sedans and a lot in their Porsches/Ferraris/Lambos/Morgans. Who do you think buys sports cars?

[LeonOfTheDead]

tbh, I read terrible articles about the S8 handling and how the V10 swap worked out.

[Rockefella]

On the contrary, they like a little bit in their sport sedans and a lot in their Porsches/Ferraris/Lambos/Morgans. Who do you think buys sports cars?

Because they're the only ones with enough money. Your average middle-aged man with money in the bank will drive a 5-series or A8 to work, rarely something like a Lotus or Corvette. Weekend car is another story.

[LeonOfTheDead]

On the contrary, they like a little bit in their sport sedans and a lot in their Porsches/Ferraris/Lambos/Morgans. Who do you think buys sports cars?

the fact they buy them doesn't mean they know what they are or care about.
personally speaking about a Continental GT, DB9 Volante, A8 (twice) and Boxter S 50th anniversary edition owner.

[Ferrer]

Because they're the only ones with enough money. Your average middle-aged man with money in the bank will drive a 5-series or A8 to work, rarely something like a Lotus or Corvette. Weekend car is another story.

And yet the 5er is about a million miles ahead of the A6 as far as the driving is concerned.

Making good drivers cars doesn't necessarily make a company go bankrupt.

[Kitdy]

And yet the 5er is about a million miles ahead of the A6 as far as the driving is concerned.

Come now, a million kilometres ahead or even 1.61 million kilometres ahead but never a million miles ahead.

For shame.

[Pando]

And yet the 5er is about a million miles ahead of the A6 as far as the driving is concerned.

Making good drivers cars doesn't necessarily make a company go bankrupt.

...and yet I'd rather go for the A/S6 than a E60 to drive to and from work every day. Why? Looks, no negative stigma, neutrality - and of course, not making the obvious choice.

If you see a bangled-up 5-series, admit it, you're not thinking - oh, that driver must be a really nice, interesting, car loving person.

The neutrality that a Audi 6-series offer you can't get in a Jag or a Lexus and definitely not in a Mercedes.

[Ferrer]

...and yet I'd rather go for the A/S6 than a E60 to drive to and from work every day. Why? Looks, no negative stigma, neutrality - and of course, not making the obvious choice.

If you see a bangled-up 5-series, admit it, you're not thinking - oh, that driver must be a really nice, interesting, car loving person.

The neutrality that a Audi 6-series offer you can't get in a Jag or a Lexus and definitely not in a Mercedes.

Want to go left field? Buy a C6.

Want to go left field and still drive like a hooligan in the corners? Buy an XF.

I doubt an Audi has any sort of neutrality these days...

[Kitdy]

Pando, why would you not buy a car becasue of the image associated with it? You should buy what's best for you regardless of the image it portrays becasue you'll be happy.

What do you care that other people think?