280KM/H and still alive lol

[Swissbeatz]

Ok I will explain. In Freiburg in Germany the highway is not limited so the is not a limit speed. I was driving at 280 just for 10 sec cause you can't drive at this speed too long your engine will be too hot. And just after 2 km before the German and Swiss border, there is a limit speed of 150 km/h and after 120 and 100 km/h but it was the night and I though the highway was unlimited every where. My bad. at 1 km before the border I have been flashed cause it was when I was slowing down but it was too late.

[Matra et Alpine]

[QUOTE=Swissbeatz]

And I don't want to prove that speed is good but most of deadly accidents rarely involve super cars. 55% of accidents involve little or medium cars like Opel Astra, Ford focus and more. And on the highway 70% accidents involve big trucks. On the highway that's trucks who are dangerous.

Watch out for mis-use of statistics.
Supercars probably make up less than 1% of all cars on the road.
SO, the accident rate would be less than 1% if all was equal

the Porsche has one of the best brake system in the world.

There is a recongised danger in the over-safety that technical aids give.
I personally have had to have w rod with a German colleague in his new Merc doing 180kn/h on the autobahn in busy traffic and heavy rain with standing water as he sat 30m from the car in front. He told me the ABS was superb
He just didnt' graps that it was the factors OUTSIDE of the car he needed to balance against the great technical features of his M-B.

Speed is not good but you shoud not say that these cars must only be for journalists or specialists. Cause the reality is different. Welcome in our world.

I think you have already presented a much more balanced view on your driving in this thread and didn't deserve all the negativity we dumped on you
BUT I would close with adding that speed beyond that 'expected' by other road users ( ie speed limits ) should be adhered to. Speed should be limited to a safe level on the roads to protect other road users and yourself. Finally that speed and handling of a car should be played with ON a track. ( But on the latter I've come to realise how lucky I am in the UK with so many great race tracks offering trackdays at reasonable costs - sorry guys and glas )

[Swissbeatz]

I personally have had to have w rod with a German colleague in his new Merc doing 180kn/h on the autobahn in busy traffic and heavy rain with standing water as he sat 30m from the car in front. He told me the ABS was superb

wow lol, that's crazy, 180km/h on the autobahn in busy traffic and heavy rain ... ABS was superb. lol that's dangerous man, I can't try this. I love speed but not like this.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

to be fair although there are rare super car incidents, it is also because they make up a small percentage of the cars on the road, if you look at the ratios of accidents/population they would be much more alike

at anything over 200 kph on a standard freeway where the pavement is not kept clean as they are in tracks there may be debris or damage in the road that will cause a car to loose traction maybe even spin, this effect would be multiplied when the weather conditions are bad, the "high performance" license is a good idea but the test to obtain such a license should be much harder than standard drivers tests. in fact i believe they should be harder to obtain than a race license because in racing there are less variables to deal with compared to driving on public roads

[Matra et Alpine]

..... in fact i believe they should be harder to obtain than a race license because in racing there are less variables to deal with compared to driving on public roads

You want to try going into a corner abreast with a couple of other cars knowing that you all want the racing line

In club racing it's ALWAYS the guy with the deepest pockets who wins.
All I could ever think about is the cost to repair a wing, wheel or suspension arm

[whiteballz]

And I don't want to prove that speed is good but most of deadly accidents rarely involve super cars. 55% of accidents involve little or medium cars like Opel Astra, Ford focus and more. And on the highway 70% accidents involve big trucks. On the highway that's trucks who are dangerous. It's rare to see an accident where the driver was going at 260km/h and has lost the control of his car, very rare.

guess why those stats are like that? go on, guess....

its because 95% of the driving world cant afford a supercar!

ohh i know, lets try get our 96 subaru liberty up to 280 kph!

i KNOW those figures would be different if more people drove supercars. i guarentee you, that any given 18/30 year old with an evo 8 (which btw is coming to australia next month) would try to get to that speeds.
DANGER D**KHEADS!
not a smart thing now is it?

[Coventrysucks]

The "high performance" license is a good idea

A Porsche 911 can do 100mph fairly safely in good road conditions (sunny, clear, no other traffic etc), and you can probably chuck it through corners with a bit of pace, but a Ford Focus can go 100mph, and won't be so stable, and is more likely to come unstuck trying to achieve Porsche pace through the twisties.
Therefore the driver of the "low performance" car will probably have an accident, whilst the "high performance" car can "get away with it" so to speak.

It shouldn't be just drivers of high performance cars that benefit from extra training, it should be every road user.

I think that manufacturers should offer courses on how to control high powered cars properly, a few do. They are in the best position to tell you what to expect. It isn't ideal if you are doing your high performance training in a Mercedes SL55 if a Porsche 911 will do something completely different, and a Lotus Elise something else.

I think that there should be some sort of mandetory training on how to handle a car properly when it all goes wrong.

You are shepherded round quiet residential areas at 20mph, doing your "turn in the road" being told all about how to turn into a skid, and what to do when your car starts aquaplaning, but there is no practical training. Therefore when the new driver hits a deep puddle and spins, they have no idea what to do and end up becoming a statistic.

I realise that in some areas it would be impractical to do this, but I think there should be some effort made.

[Swissbeatz]

A Porsche 911 can do 100mph fairly safely in good road conditions (sunny, clear, no other traffic etc), and you can probably chuck it through corners with a bit of pace, but a Ford Focus can go 100mph, and won't be so stable, and is more likely to come unstuck trying to achieve Porsche pace through the twisties.
Therefore the driver of the "low performance" car will probably have an accident, whilst the "high performance" car can "get away with it" so to speak.

It shouldn't be just drivers of high performance cars that benefit from extra training, it should be every road user.

I think that manufacturers should offer courses on how to control high powered cars properly, a few do. They are in the best position to tell you what to expect. It isn't ideal if you are doing your high performance training in a Mercedes SL55 if a Porsche 911 will do something completely different, and a Lotus Elise something else.

I think that there should be some sort of mandetory training on how to handle a car properly when it all goes wrong.

You are shepherded round quiet residential areas at 20mph, doing your "turn in the road" being told all about how to turn into a skid, and what to do when your car starts aquaplaning, but there is no practical training. Therefore when the new driver hits a deep puddle and spins, they have no idea what to do and end up becoming a statistic.

I realise that in some areas it would be impractical to do this, but I think there should be some effort made.

I agree with you. But I feel safer in my Porsche then in my old Z3 or SLK. This car has been made for speeding, I'm sure and when you are driving at 150km/h it's just like you are driving a Benz or BMW at 100km/h. I don't know how they do their cars but Porsche rules... lol
this is the best car I have ever driven... and God knows what I have driven.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

i have no doubt the cars can handle it, but its the people driving them
people who have enough money to buy a 911 or evo 8 generally wont be good enough at the wheel to detect in impending skid, as for preventing it, HA thats a laugh

[Swissbeatz]

but its the people driving them
people who have enough money to buy a 911 or evo 8 generally wont be good enough at the wheel to detect in impending skid, as for preventing it

Sorry I disagree with you. What do you want to say by this way? When you got money you think that you got the best skills on the road?? NO WAY.
You know who is the dangerous man on the road for me?? The little boy (18-25) with his Honda civic or his eclipse who is trying to do 250 on the autobahn or is racing with his friend's brand new car in downtown.

[fpv_gtho]

A Porsche 911 can do 100mph fairly safely in good road conditions (sunny, clear, no other traffic etc), and you can probably chuck it through corners with a bit of pace, but a Ford Focus can go 100mph, and won't be so stable, and is more likely to come unstuck trying to achieve Porsche pace through the twisties.
Therefore the driver of the "low performance" car will probably have an accident, whilst the "high performance" car can "get away with it" so to speak.

It shouldn't be just drivers of high performance cars that benefit from extra training, it should be every road user.

I think that manufacturers should offer courses on how to control high powered cars properly, a few do. They are in the best position to tell you what to expect. It isn't ideal if you are doing your high performance training in a Mercedes SL55 if a Porsche 911 will do something completely different, and a Lotus Elise something else.

I think that there should be some sort of mandetory training on how to handle a car properly when it all goes wrong.

You are shepherded round quiet residential areas at 20mph, doing your "turn in the road" being told all about how to turn into a skid, and what to do when your car starts aquaplaning, but there is no practical training. Therefore when the new driver hits a deep puddle and spins, they have no idea what to do and end up becoming a statistic.

I realise that in some areas it would be impractical to do this, but I think there should be some effort made.

I think in some cases, a cars inability to handle high speeds can be a deterant to the driver to take them to those speeds. Theres always crazy buggers who will always try to find their limits even if it means drifting across 3 lanes of traffic trying to keep the car going straight at 200km/h, but i know that if i was driving down the road and the speed i was doing i could keep absolute control of the car, i'd sure as hell slow down.


You might be pleased to know FPV offer high performance driver training as no cost for all of their buyers. Im not sure but i think it could be lead by John Bowe as he runs his own high performance driving centre and also does alot of suspension development for FPV.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

Sorry I disagree with you. What do you want to say by this way? When you got money you think that you got the best skills on the road?? NO WAY.

you could try using proper english ...

[Swissbeatz]

you could try using proper english ...

Sorry I'm s french speaking and I'm just trying to speak in english for learning. I think most of people in this forum understand most of my sentences. If it's not the case I apologyse but you can just perform when you pratice.

If you don't understand my sentences don't speak with me and that's it. Don' waste your time with me.

[KnifeEdge_2K1]

isnt there a french to english translator program or something?

[Matra et Alpine]

isnt there a french to english translator program or something?

It doesn't work for most of the language in everyday use ( slang ) or for motor terms.

I've tried. As an owner of 3 French sports cars and service manuals IN FRENCH I know the struggle