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Old 09-21-2005, 04:47 AM
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not of the car or driver, but of all the conditions put together
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Definately, Mag.
We had some crossed wires there, I was only comparing that a rally driver by virtue of it being a stage never puts the car OR HIM at 100%, they put the whole package at "100% and finish the stage" which is somewhat below 100% for most corners and a lot of straights with yumps.
There is definately NOT the option of being 100% on the CAR all the time as rallying doesn't have the fortune of knowing what the next 10 yards is going to be like
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:17 PM
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I'm so mad at the roll cage designer - have a browse around on google and look at "open door service area shots" of the 307, all the cahe cross bars on the door are nowhere near the occupants, which is exactly where the car has deformed in the picture. I'm gutted
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:37 PM
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I can see what you mean.

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Old 09-22-2005, 12:51 PM
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I'm so mad at the roll cage designer - have a browse around on google and look at "open door service area shots" of the 307, all the cahe cross bars on the door are nowhere near the occupants, which is exactly where the car has deformed in the picture. I'm gutted
How do you suggest the driver and co-driver can get in and out?
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:54 PM
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I'm so mad at the roll cage designer - have a browse around on google and look at "open door service area shots" of the 307, all the cahe cross bars on the door are nowhere near the occupants, which is exactly where the car has deformed in the picture. I'm gutted
The door cross bars are where they are on all cars.

You have to be able to get in and out of rally cars through the normal doors and have to show you can get out unaided.

WHY are you @mad@ at the roll cage designer other than expecting them to do the impossible ?

See attached image - a grab from vid of the Scoobie ones.
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Old 09-22-2005, 12:58 PM
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Very true Wouter and Matra. It is not as if they have ejector seats andrew, so they need have to have space to get in and out. Refer to my cutaway pic too see what i mean
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Old 09-22-2005, 01:01 PM
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I'm trying to find the pic I saw earlier, this cage is not good. I'm not saying they need loads of bars, I'm saying that the crosses are in the wrong place to protect the occupents, mainly because the doors are too big on this car - I hate the 307cc
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Old 09-22-2005, 01:03 PM
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I'm trying to find the pic I saw earlier, this cage is not good. I'm not saying they need loads of bars, I'm saying that the crosses are in the wrong place to protect the occupents, mainly because the doors are too big on this car - I hate the 307cc
I'm pretty sure that the size of the roll cage is not dependent on the size of the doors. If you look at that cutaway drawing you can see the cage starting well within the door opening.
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Old 09-22-2005, 01:09 PM
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I race a tin-top and I have perform morning gymnastics to get in and out! I've found a good pic how do I show it like you displayed the cut away?
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Old 09-22-2005, 01:12 PM
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It has to be under 800x600 or 600x800 for the in-lime imahes rule.

All you need to do is -

[IMG] THE LINK TO THE IMAGE.jpg [/IMG]

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It has to be under 800x600 or 600x800 for the in-lime imahes rule.

All you need to do is -

[IMG] THE LINK TO THE IMAGE.jpg [/IMG]

Without the spaces of course
It's preferable that you use the Attachment system though. There you can upload all images up to 1 mb. It can be found under the additional options in the advanced reply menu.
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Or you could do what Wouter said. It is alot easier, and alot better for people on Dial-Up. If you dont understand, send me a PM with a link to the image
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Old 09-22-2005, 01:27 PM
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OK check these two out (attached)
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Old 09-22-2005, 01:28 PM
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Which car would you rather be in?
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Old 09-22-2005, 01:38 PM
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Which car would you rather be in?
it woudln't matter

It was a vertical edge. so WHERE the cross bars are doesn't make any difference.

Hitting a tree at 80mph compeltely side on with no other reduction in energy is NOT going to be stoped regardless.

You race tin-tops, what kind ? Oval ? circuit ??
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