The possibilities of the ultimate f1 cars

[eric]

a while back i heard about the restrctions about f1 and though that the new engine rules sucked, so i looked for the ultimate f1 possibilities and was shocked when i heard what they could do. They don't let you use honeycomb materials so that means you cant use any super materials and no ground effects which is a fan that actually sucks the air down and pulls the car to the ground!!! Any ways if there were no resrictions the cars could go around most extreme corners at 350-400 km/h and 600-800 km/h on the straight streches the engine would still be a 3 litre but would be super light and could have as much horsepower as a top fuel dragster. But the speeds r so great that the drivers would need g suits to prevent blacking out. I know this is hard 2 belive but it's true i've read a bunch of stuff that says the same thing and the info comes from reseachers and other types of people but there car nuts and they studyed this.

[Egg Nog]

How do they plan on getting over 6,000hp out of a 3000cc engine? Most of this sounds pretty untrue...

[Spastik_Roach]

NOS and A BAZILLION GILLION TURBOS! AND STIKAZ!

AND VEILSIDE bodYkits!

l33t!!!

[bige321786]

well, regardless of the truth value of those claims, it is an interesting concept and idea to toy around with. obviously, i think money is a major major concern here, but what are the real possibilities for a formula 1 racecar without certain regulations. what type of performance could be seen? for the moment ONLY, disregard driver safety, what are the highest possibilities for a race car (time around a track, not just a straight line) possible? obviously, with this purely hypothetical experiment, money would have to be no issue.

[@wall]

i'm with egg nog on this...

got a real laugh out of reading it. proof is in the pudding, if you can show us the "articles" or "experts" i will believe you.

however seems even more crazy when you consider that the current land speed record is 1220 kph, set by the Thrust SSC.

"ThrustSSC thus has the power of 1000 Ford Escorts, or 145 Formula One cars..."

www.thrustssc.com/thrustssc/contents_frames.html

no disrespect, i just find these facts a little hard to believe...

[Coventrysucks]

Any ways if there were no resrictions the cars could go around most extreme corners at 350-400 km/h and 600-800 km/h on the straight streches.

Apart from the fact that the tyres wouldn't be able to run at these speeds...

And the aerodynamic drag of an f1 car would make 800km/h (500mph) impossible.

Oh and I doubt the transmission would be able to cope with that kind of power and acceleration over the distance of an F1 race.

Top fuel dragsters are lucky to get a single run out of a clutch, and that is 3 seconds, how can you build one to last 2hrs?

How are the brakes going to cope from 800km/h down to say 200km/h for a hairpin, using your "figures"?

What happens when someone crashes?

I think this is complete crap.

do you have links to this "bunch of stuff" so that I can read it for myself?

No doubt an F1 car without rules would be much faster than a current one, but you seem to be in fantasy land.

[Matra et Alpine]

And the aerodynamic drag of an f1 car would make 800km/h (500mph) impossible....
No doubt an F1 car without rules would be much faster than a current one, but you seem to be in fantasy land.

Got agreement here on that

On the first point, it does raise a question and see if UCPers have the answer.
What was the Cd of the best ground effect cars ?
They had drastically smaller wins and the ultimate Lotus seperate chassis one had tiny wings ! Shame it was banned before we saw it in action. One of Colin Chapman's last great ground-breaking innovations
not sure how the drag of the bottom effects were realtive to the wings of the day.

Also there was a limiting factor in ground effect where they were tearing the tarmac with the huge forces. Any small damage in the surface soon reulted in a growing hole as tarmac was ripped up each time the cars passed They had to ban it !!

[fpv_gtho]

can you imagine what kind of a driver (mentally) it would take to drive such a machine though. i look at F1 as it is now, and the steering response from those cars just makes me think that if the slightest thing was to distract the driver they could find themselves either off the track or into someone else

[Matra et Alpine]

i look at F1 as it is now, and the steering response from those cars just makes me think that if the slightest thing was to distract the driver they could find themselves either off the track or into someone else

It's not as bad as you suspect.
Yes it takes tiny movement to point the car in the desired direction, but they are stable and have MUCH more positive steering reponse than your normal car.
Also, check out the upper body strength of a top driver. They have very strong arms, wrists and shoulders to be able to make fast and strong inputs to the steering when needed.
The speed to respond to loss of grip - front or rear drift - is phenomenal in the best drivers. I learned this in my late teens and new then to forget about racing as a career or major pastime. Compared to the guys who've taught me and I've competed with I'm an order of magnitude slower !!
And it's no boast to suggest I'm an order of magnitude better than the average street driver.
THAT is how skilled the top guys are

[DasModell]

Michael Schumacher believes Formula One has never been better - or faster.

So much so, in fact, that the reigning six-times world champion would support a reduction in engine capacity in order to stop the V10- output hitting 1000bhp.

'I don't think we've ever seen cars like this,' said the German.

'The cars are sensitive, reactive - more exciting for the drivers.'

Moreover, said Michael Schumacher, decreasing horsepower and engine revs 'just a little bit' would be more than 'compensated' by an increase in car reliability.

'In my opinion we've reached the limit,' said the 35-year-old.

'But I don't want to say we can't go further still.'

www.f1-live.com

[Cotterik]

I hope that they dont make the F1 cars too extreme because it will mean that the driver will be more dependant on computers to take him around the track, which as we have experience in the past with launch control etc, has taken some of the fun out of watching the sport. It will also mean that the poorer teams like MINARDI will not benefit as it will be more of a hard task to make faster engines etc and will mean greater funds, so teams like WILLIAMS and FERRARI will become even more dominant, and thats not what the sport is about, each driver should be able to use his talents in the same way as the other so we can realy see who is the best driver.

[Matra et Alpine]

I hope that they dont make the F1 cars too extreme

Check any of the F1 sites.
Moselys radical plans for F1 have been pretty much accpeted - ggetting lots of money out of Bernie might have ahd something to do with that.
Engines are going to be simpler, control ECU, no aids, single tyre manufacturer and lots of other controls on materials. See F1 sites for the full proposal.
The engine manufacturers are to make proposals back to Mosely on what the new formula will lokk like.
Shame as I think this takes F1 OFF the pinnacle of the motorsport ladder.
Roll on WRC and MotoGP

[Coventrysucks]

Pah! pinnacle of motorsport?
F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport technology, not the pinnacle of motor racing, which it should be.

Some of the best drivers in the world, and they just follow each other round

[Homem de Gelo]

Pilots would need to use those special pressurized suits to survive inside a trully extreme F1 car, and it would have much more to do with cornering than with straightline speed.

Imagine:

ground effects + wide fat super sticky slicks + active suspension

For ground effects to work, the distance between the car and the ground has to be minimal, which is exactly what would be acheived, constantly, with the use of the active suspension. Add to that super sticky wide slicks and you'll have cars cornering at speeds we barely imagine. And, if turbo engines were ever allowed again, we'd see cars with 2000hp in qualifying and 1500hp in race trim, which is more than enough to launch any car in the world to the most amazing speeds.

Not only would these cars be so fast that the pilots would suffer humungous G forces, but there would be no circuit safe enough for them. Last week Badoer suffered a heavy crash at a full throttle 300km/h corner at Monza. Imagine how much run-off area would be necessary if he lost controle at 400 km/h? 200 metres? And even if the cars were safe for the crashes, imagine what would happen if two cars collided and their parts flew into the air, these parts could very much likely hit spectators or bypassers who would be hundreds of metres away from the cars. Or imagine the damage a tyre would do if it gor lose in one of those crashes.

Unrestricted F1 cars belong in dreams only.