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Old 08-28-2014, 08:49 PM
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Water tire cooling for the next world's fastest supercars?

Water tire cooling for the next world's fastest supercars?

The Bugatti Veyron tires would fail after 15 minutes driving at 400 km/h+
Although the fuel tank will be empty sooner than that, the tires seem to be the weak link.

Will spraying fine water droplets cool tires enough to go beyond 500 km/h?
Increasing the Tire Life Span by Means of Water Cooling
http://eprints2.utem.edu.my/8585/1/I...-_waterjet.pdf

Would sprayed water cause some aquaplanning or dangerously reduce friction at such high speeds?
Land speed tires are made of very hard rubber compounds that already have low friction so maybe friction won't be an issue at all.
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Old 08-29-2014, 06:09 AM
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At those speeds I would imagine the entire tire carcass would be above boiling, so assuming it was a fine-enough mist, it should vaporize instantaneously and not cause the contact patch to get wet. The problem with their setup is that it only cools the outside of the tire; the failure isn't necessarily along the circumference.

I remember an interview with Nick Heidfeld's F1 engineers back when he was a BMW driver. He had been having trouble bringing his tires up to temperature and the interviewer suggested doing burnouts. The engineer said that that would only warm up the outside of the tire and what was really needed was to warm the entire carcass through near-constant loading.

At that point we would have to start considering adding water or metal heatsinks to the inside of the tire and/or to the wire matrix (or whatever it's called) inside the rubber of the tire.
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Old 09-07-2014, 11:48 AM
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Just a question for the older UK members- how is this vehicle a "recovery" vehicle?

A recovery vehicle to me is a tow truck. Is this a "spare parts and mechanics that might help me" vehicle?

3913 WE Recovery Vehicle | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

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Old 09-07-2014, 11:55 AM
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I believe it may be a recovery vehicle for buses.
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Old 09-10-2014, 05:43 AM
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Ah, thanks.
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Old 12-02-2014, 06:02 AM
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Question about the Acura ILX- it's supposed to have an 8 speed dual clutch transmission... but it also has a torque converter. How does that work and why does it have a torque converter?

I thought the DCT was supposed to eliminate the torque converter. What would be the advantage of keeping one?
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Old 12-02-2014, 07:06 AM
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Question about the Acura ILX- it's supposed to have an 8 speed dual clutch transmission... but it also has a torque converter. How does that work and why does it have a torque converter?
A DCT is very similar to an ordinary manual transmission, it just has the two shafts for odd and even gears. Sticking a torque converter wouldn't be tricky; think of it as just another clutch.

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I thought the DCT was supposed to eliminate the torque converter. What would be the advantage of keeping one?
For the blorby smoothness of a slushbox. DCTs still aren't all the way there when it comes to smoothness; their NVH levels and jerkiness are jarring to little old people who drive Lexuses and Acuras. With a modern locking-torque converter, fuel consumption shouldn't increase, just weight and complexity.
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Old 12-02-2014, 11:30 AM
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For the blorby smoothness of a slushbox. DCTs still aren't all the way there when it comes to smoothness
Or anyone who doesn't want to be jerked around at low rates of speed.

At least if you row your own gears and it is jerky it's your own fault, and it is usually fun.

That jerkiness is a problem that needs to be solved.
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I am a lunatic Mediterranean who drives an Alfa Romeo and I too find the low speed jerkiness of dual clutch gearboxes unacceptable.

Maybe posh Toyota/Honda drivers and posh Fiat drivers have something in common?
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Old 12-02-2014, 02:22 PM
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Thanks for the explanation.

At this point, there are exactly 0 cars in the Acura lineup with a manual transmission.
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Thanks for the explanation.

At this point, there are exactly 0 cars in the Acura lineup with a manual transmission.
Well, then Acura has something in common with Ferrari.
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Old 12-03-2014, 09:22 AM
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Well, then Acura has something in common with Ferrari.
And Lamborghini. And Lexus. And all US Mercedes offerings.
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Old 12-05-2014, 10:22 AM
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Just a question for the older UK members- how is this vehicle a "recovery" vehicle?

A recovery vehicle to me is a tow truck. Is this a "spare parts and mechanics that might help me" vehicle?

3913 WE Recovery Vehicle | Flickr - Photo Sharing!

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yep, in UK very common for each bus company to have had their own fleet of recovery vehicles.
As many old busses were designed on truck platforms then they formed a good basis for a towing vehicle to recover a broken down bus. So no need for other vehicles or retraining mechanics



Most recovery now is left to recovery specialists with what you'd recognise as a general heavy vehicle recovery vehicle.
Bus companies still often run vans though to attempt repair at roadside and these are often sill marked recovery over here. I always just want to look out for a Transit van trying to "recover" a double decker bus
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Old 12-05-2014, 02:16 PM
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Well, then Acura has something in common with Ferrari.
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And Lamborghini. And Lexus. And all US Mercedes offerings.
That's not something to be proud of honestly. We went from the Integra and the Legend to just selling the MDX, the ILX and the RDX.

How sad.
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Old 12-05-2014, 02:17 PM
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yep, in UK very common for each bus company to have had their own fleet of recovery vehicles.
As many old busses were designed on truck platforms then they formed a good basis for a towing vehicle to recover a broken down bus. So no need for other vehicles or retraining mechanics



Most recovery now is left to recovery specialists with what you'd recognise as a general heavy vehicle recovery vehicle.
Bus companies still often run vans though to attempt repair at roadside and these are often sill marked recovery over here. I always just want to look out for a Transit van trying to "recover" a double decker bus
Ah, this is the sort of answer I wanted! Thanks!

I don't know about you guys, but I LOVE recovery/tow trucks, especially the ones with the huge cranes in the back with at least 5 axles.

I also have a love for fire trucks too, especially the chunky airport fire trucks.
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