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    Solstice launch delayed.

    See you in September: Production snafus may delay launch of Pontiac Solstice roadster until fall

    If early orders are an indication, Pontiac could have a winner in its Solstice roadster. GM quickly booked 1,000 orders for the two-seat convertible this month during a TV promotion.

    But now GM says it won't ship a significant number of Solstices to dealerships until this fall - well past its summer target date meant to coincide with the peak of the convertible selling season.

    Industry sources say fit problems are delaying the launch at GM's Wilmington, Del., plant.

    In material distributed to reporters in January at the Detroit auto show, Pontiac said the Solstice was "expected in Pontiac showrooms in mid-2005." But GMTV, GM's Webcast media site, said last week that the car won't be on dealer lots until the fourth quarter. GM spokesmen say the Solstice will arrive in substantial quantities in late September or early October.

    Dealers are cautious

    Several Pontiac dealers say they are not promising delivery to customers until the fall, even though some vehicles may trickle out before then.

    One Pontiac dealership in Houston was able to order four of the first vehicles - but GM has told the dealership the vehicles may not arrive until October.

    "Now we're saying, 'Hey, you can expect it in August or two months after that," says Joe Pierce, a new-car sales manager at Beck & Masten Pontiac-GMC. Pontiac gave no reason for the delay, Pierce says.

    "They are being really vague about it," he says. "It's hard to give an estimate on time."

    Why the change?

    Multiple sources close to the situation at the Wilmington, Del., plant say the Solstice is suffering from fit problems on the front fascia and convertible top.

    Pontiac says it is "underpromising and overdelivering" to make sure cars satisfy customers.

    "Quality is the biggest issue," says Pontiac spokesman Jim Hopson. "That's the critical element at this point, getting the last little bit taken care of."

    Pontiac would not elaborate on quality issues. But it said nearly all startup programs have issues.

    A spokesman for UAW Local 435 at Wilmington refused comment.

    The Solstice, championed by GM Vice Chairman Robert Lutz, is built on the new Kappa rear-wheel-drive architecture. The automaker used a rapid development cycle for the vehicle.

    Lori Queen, vehicle line executive for small cars, has said GM "blew up the entire vehicle-development process" in developing the Solstice.

    GM tested ride and handling by computer simulation.

    GM also is using a new hydroform stamping technique, cutting tooling costs and time.

    "We are trying to do this extremely fast for GM," Hopson says. "It really is an experimental program, and we want to make absolutely certain we get it right."

    Some dealers have expressed frustration with the delay because of the hype generated by Pontiac's marketing campaign involving "The Apprentice" TV show in mid-April.

    The show dealt with the creation of a marketing theme for the Solstice, and Pontiac announced it would take orders for the first 1,000 cars.

    GM says all 1,000 orders were placed, backed by $500 deposits.
    Where's my friggin' bang-head icon... GM did it to themselves yet again.
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    The beginning of the end for GM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockefella
    The beginning of the end for GM.
    That's a little overdramatic and overstated, don't you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt
    That's a little overdramatic and overstated, don't you think?
    Not really. GM has been doing worse and worse over the last 5-10 years and the light at the end of the tunnel coming with the Solstice and the Saturn Sky is getting delayed along with the introduction of the Zeta platform by not having the Solstice out when expected. Hopefully it performs up to its expectations.
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    There's really two ways to look at this.

    1. GM screwed up. They're going to release a convertible in the fall. No one wants to buy a convertible when it's 40* out.

    2. GM is doing the right thing by not releasing a car that isn't ready to come out and perform to expectations.

    I think people (me included) are being very harsh on GM right now. Some of it may be deserved, but they have some promising products coming out in the near future. The Zeta platform wasn't 'killed'; just delayed. I'm not going to write them off yet.
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    My buddy works at a Saturn dealership and says they won't have a Sky in the showroom til January 2006. Too bad GM is getting these cars to dealers when it is winter weather in most of the USA.

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    Come GM have really only thereselves to blame for the position there in right now.
    And as for the Zeta i'll let you guys know how it goes
    "Just a matter of time i suppose"

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    Haha stupid a**holes at GM. They really don't know a thing about selling cars.

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    They know a little something because instead of bringing out a flawed car they are going to delay it and bring out an unflawed car.

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    Just imagine if Ford had held back all the Explorer's with Firestone Wilderness tyres.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aNOBLEman
    They know a little something because instead of bringing out a flawed car they are going to delay it and bring out an unflawed car.
    i dont care if you flame me on this but there is always some sort of a noticable flaw in GM's-i mot saying major, just noticable
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    I am fairly certain that GM will not be around much longer.

    Their entire product range seems to consist of conventional saloons, which aren't selling well at all, and other "familiy" vehicles.

    There is too little diversity in their portfolio of brands.

    Look at Ford:
    Ford/ Mazda - Volume small and family cars.
    Mercury (US)/ Volvo (ROW)- Slightly more up-market executive saloons and etc
    Lincoln (US)/ Jaguar (ROW)- Premium saloons
    Land Rover - Off roaders
    Aston Martin - Sports cars

    GM:
    Chevy - Everything
    Vauxhall/ Opel - Everything
    Holden - Everything
    Pontiac - Pretty much everything
    Buick - Very, very, very ugly premium saloons
    Cadillac - Slightly sportier saloons, not so ugly
    GMC - SUVs
    Hummer - As GMC
    Saab - More saloons
    Oldsmobile - Pretty much everything
    Saturn - Pretty much everything

    Wheras Ford's model has companies that specialise in their specific area of the market, GM's companies are attempting to be jack of all trades, master of none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coventrysucks
    look at Ford:
    Ford/ Mazda - Volume small and family cars.
    Mercury (US)/ Volvo (ROW)- Slightly more up-market executive saloons and etc
    Lincoln (US)/ Jaguar (ROW)- Premium saloons
    Land Rover - Off roaders
    Aston Martin - Sports cars

    Wheras Ford's model has companies that specialise in their specific area of the market, GM's companies are attempting to be jack of all trades, master of none.
    all that and ford still cant make a decent profit for its size
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    Would your theory apply to Chrysler, too, Coventry?

    Chrysler-Everything
    Dodge-Pretty much everything
    Jeep-off road

    But then you have to take into account the Daimler half of it....
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    Quote Originally Posted by CHEESE-TACULAR
    all that and ford still cant make a decent profit for its size
    oz division can

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