Originally Posted by
Matra et Alpine
In what way ? I've NEVER seperated them. Only you say torque doesn't provide the force that THEN over time provides the power. So without enough torque no power ( ie work done )
You seperate them by saying that you need only a certain amount of torque to overcome this and that... You said it yourself: torque provides an instantaneous force that over time provides power (which isn't work done but rather the rate at which work can be done). Torque is simply a factor for calculating power.
Originally Posted by
Matra
Oops, there we go torque is a must
and therefore so is power
Originally Posted by
Matra
"locked ratio" ... :burst into tears:
It's folly to consider only one gear. A gearbox has a range of ratios and in each of these TORQUE is requried to overcome the "friction" in the closed system - ie hills, air and mating surfaces.
You obviously didn't understand my statement (even though I clearly explained it). I was not referring to the actual gear ratios inside a gear box but rather the ratio with which they exchange speed and torque so as to maintain the power output (minus frictional losses of course). A certain amount of power is needed to overcome the friction in the closed system as opposed to a certain amount of torque. Torque is needed to produce the power but the actual amount to be produced by the engine depends on what rpm you choose to use to produce the required power. (ie high revs will only need a small amount of torque to be produced by the engine while low revs will require a much larger amount to be produced). You could argue that you are talking about torque to the wheels but that is also dependant on the rpm of the wheels and the power needed to over come said obstacles.
Originally Posted by
Matra
No. You are making HUGE assumption.
YOU keep on about it's only power.
Power is a CALCULATION of the application of a force over TIME.
BUT acceleration is determiend by FORCE.
acceleration is determined by energy over time aswell... just like power is a energy over time value.
Power, whether measured as HP, PS, or KW is what accelerates cars and gets it up to top speed. Power also determines how far you take a wall when you hit it
Engine torque is an illusion.