nice find, why would it carry what I think is a South African flag on the trunk lid?
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nice find, why would it carry what I think is a South African flag on the trunk lid?
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Some historic action P1800.
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I've heard they're faster than Giulias...
That old P1800 desperately needs attention. But it's amazing to see a car like that being used even without care, and yet being up to the challenge.
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Strange that it's not in the leading trio thenOriginally Posted by McReis
I've heard they're faster than Giulias...
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Strange that it's not in the leading trio then
that's a 144, about to take the inside of 2 heavily understeering Alfas...
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I know..
Since Hugo said that the P1800 is faster than most Giulias, I found it strange that the P1800 was NOT in the leading trio.
Wasn't the 144 one of the earlier cars to be fuel injected?
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Giulias were well driven those days... not anymore
Desperately needing excuses....
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Mechanical injection was around a lot earlier, but if you mean electronic injection then I guess you're right - was it the Bosch D-jet?
EFI machines I can remember from the early 1970s include Mercedes 280E (W114) VW TLE (Type 2) BMW 3.0i (or Si?) and Volvo 164E
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Or the Porsche 911E from 1968.
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was the Mercedes 220 SE (1959) mechanical?
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Thinking about it, didnt the Mercedes 300 SL "Gullwing" have mechanical fuel injection too?
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yes, I knew that, but I am not sure about the 220
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As far as I've been able to find, yes the 220SE from 1959 had mechanical Bosch fuel injection.
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so that would continue for the 220SE, 1961, the 250SE and as Nota said the electronic version came with the 280SE
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Yes the Ponton (Roundy) used mechanical FI which in Mercedes passenger cars dates back to the 1955 300Sc (W188)
Bosch D-jet EFI dates from 1967, apparently debuting in the VW 411
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_injectionOne of the first electronic fuel injection system was Electrojector, developed by the Bendix Corporation. In 1957, AMC was to offer a special edition Rambler Rebel with a 288 horsepower 327 in³ (5.4 L) engine optionally equipped with Electrojector. This was to have been the first production EFI engine, but Electrojector's teething problems meant only a few cars were so equipped, and all are thought to have been retrofitted with 4-barrel carburetors before they were first sold.
Chrysler offered Electrojector on the 1958 DeSoto Adventurer, arguably the first series-production car equipped with a throttle body EFI system, but the early electronic components weren't equal to the rigors of underhood service, and were too slow to keep up with the demands of "on the fly" engine control. Most vehicles originally so equipped were field-retrofitted with 4-barrel carburetors. The Electrojector patents were subsequently sold to Bosch.
Bosch developed an electronic fuel injection system, called D-Jetronic (D for Druck, the German word for pressure), which was first used on the VW 1600TL in 1967. This was a speed/density system, using engine speed and intake manifold air density to calculate "air mass" flow rate and thus fuel requirements. The system used all analog, discrete electronics, and an electro-mechanical pressure sensor. The sensor was susceptible to vibration and dirt. This system was adopted by VW, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche, Citroën, Saab and Volvo. Lucas licensed the system for production with Jaguar.
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