I've heard people here and elsewhere say you can't cut a corner to gain an advantage and frankly, that is not the reason why he was penalised as per the rules - my earlier post shows this. However, maybe there are some unwritten rules.
I've heard people here and elsewhere say you can't cut a corner to gain an advantage and frankly, that is not the reason why he was penalised as per the rules - my earlier post shows this. However, maybe there are some unwritten rules.
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EDIT: Also, I can't remember, but some claim that Raikkonen went off and could have potentially gained an advantage as well from this but was not penalised. Why was Lewis penalised? Just because he passed someone, even though he let him pass again?
Also, why is there not grass or something to slow down the cars when they go off so this sorta sillyness doesn't happen again?
If you go off, shouldn't you be penalised by the course's own design; gravel, grass, whatever?
Last edited by Kitdy; 09-09-2008 at 09:47 PM.
Hypocrisy
Also, he was percieved to have gained more of an advantage from his manouver than Raikonnen did.
I guess circuit lawn maintenance is one of the few areas left in racing that the FIA has yet to regulate.Also, why is there not grass or something to slow down the cars when they go off so this sorta sillyness doesn't happen again?
If you go off, shouldn't you be penalised by the course's own design; gravel, grass, whatever?
My guess as to why no gravel pit is that because it's relatively easy to run wide there, at the chicane, many cars might get stuck in the gravel, get dnfs, and thus it would be a boring race. Although, this line of thought does have one flaw. If Ferrari is already the winner pre-race, there is no need to race and no running wide and bogging down.
Sorry if this is more a sarcastic diatribe than an answer to your question:sigh:
Last edited by f6fhellcat13; 09-09-2008 at 10:31 PM.
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"No. My Finnish is fine; I am from Finland. Do you have any water?"
Raikkonen had gone off at the start to avoid Hamilton when he spun, and possibly avoiding Rosberg later. Theres definately some rules that are treated different under normal racing conditions than when, say, avoiding an incident with another car that has spun. Such as in Monaco when nobody got penalised for overtaking through Loews Hairpin after Alonso nerfed Heidfeld.
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I also disagree with that statement because that was not what I meant to say. If you cut a corner, gain direct advantage during a fight with a competitor and don't give it back, you'll get 25 seconds (the equivalent of a drive through) when this takes place during the final five laps of a race. Hope that is clear now.
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But didn't Hamilton give the position back?
Also, from the appeal, I note that McLaren asked Race Control if the pass on Kimi was OK and they said it was (I assume McLaren has transcripts of this conversation). Why did the stewards change their mind later when there existed the immediate option to say, "no, let Kimi back past or Lewis will be penalised".
Now, here's a question to those who say Lewis should be penalised.
If the positions had been reversed and it was Kimi, not Lewis who cut the chicane, would you say Kimi should be penalised? Or would there instead be questions about Lewis forcing Kimi wide?
Last edited by motorsportnerd; 09-10-2008 at 02:38 AM.
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I thought the penalty for "unsafe release" was a drive through. However, you're right in saying I'm questioning the consistency of the rules.
Lewis is still a young driver, and has made some serious mistakes that could yet cost him the title (Canada and France in particular). He is yet to mature fully as a driver. However, I don't think his relative immaturity is the problem with his pass on Kimi. I think most of the drivers would have given the position and then attacked again immediately.
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Who here still thinks tarmac run-off areas are a good thing?
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Is fighting for a position the same as giving it back?
By McLaren they had asked the race control about the pass twice, and apparently it was ok. I don't think the conversation was that clear if they had to ask it twice. Maybe the stewards are to blame of the whole incident, but as long as all pointing to it is a claim by McLaren, I'm not buying it.
So really you're just asking if we're Kimi fans and hate Lewis. Would it give more value to my opinions if I had a British flag next to my name instead of the Finnish one?
Last edited by twinspark; 09-10-2008 at 03:21 AM.
Lifting and letting Kimi past can be "viewed" as "giving" the position back. Of course, Lewis may have done it so that he could pick up the draft and be in better position for La Source. It depends on one's interpretation.
That's why I said that I presume McLaren has the transcripts of the conversation.
I'm not British. And I was a big fan of Mika Hakkinen in year's past. It is true that I'm not a Kimi Raikkonen fan. Nor is Lewis my favourite driver now. I support Webber when he goes well.
My question is this. Does the fact that the controversy involves Lewis Hamilton (who is undoubtedly a forceful and controversial driver) influence people's views? Would everyone who is arguing that the stewards got it right, be just as adament that a penalty should be applied if the drivers involved had been Trulli and Rosberg for example?
In other words, are you arguing for consistency in steward's rulings?
Lewis has been penalised five times this year - more than any other driver. Four of them were the correct decision. The latest is highly debatable. Lewis' past transgressions may have even influenced the latest decision.
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It is possible that those trangressions have cost Lewis the championship this year as well. Particularly his brain-fade in Canada.
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