Whiting is permanent, stewards rotate.
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Whiting don't do the officiating, the stewards does....
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Track race stewards do the minute-to-minute stuff.
Charlie is god and responsible for ensuring all runs to FIA regs.
THe problem with all this is I think that Hamilton was intelligent about using the rules for yielding
There is no debate that he did give up the place and allowed Kimi to pass ... but he did it whilst maintaining his momentum and immediately planting it to tuck in and then overtake him again. How long is he expected to be behind before overtaking the clearly slower car ?
And therein lies the "flaw" in the rule that the issue is being debated around. ....
WHen has a driver actually yielded and do they have to follow the driver who they give the position back to for a period of time, distance or corners for it to be acceptable ?
As currently understood, Hamilton obeyed the rules !!
Finally on the point of tarmac run-offs. In todays safety concsious era then beached cars in kitty litter on the outside of corners after fast straights woudl always bring out a safety car ! No thanks. Let's just stick to the rules we have ... if you cut a corner to avoid an incident then you have to give up any advantage gained. It does NOT say you should suffer any extra time/speed penalty. If you repeatedly perform an action at the same corner then it's deliberate and you get black flagged.
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
McLaren thought FIA ‘OK’ was enough - F1 | ITV Sport
"Of course Charlie can only give an opinion because he's not the stewards, but he gave the opinion that we had complied properly to the regulations.”
from how I read that sentence, he does not make the call...he controls how the race is run and proceed, but not making judgement call for on track incident....
BTW, I thought from a while back that FIA are actually using same stewards from race to race now? When they revert back to changing stewardship?
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Lauda slams Hamilton ruling
NIKI LAUDA has described the decision that robbed Lewis Hamilton of victory in the Belgian Grand Prix as being “the worst judgment in the history of F1”.
The three-time world champion driver said the sport was close to losing its integrity after Hamilton had been hit with a retrospective 25-second drive-through penalty for 'cutting a corner and gaining an advantage'.
"I do not understand this completely wrong decision," said Lauda.
Hamilton had attempted to overtake Kimi Raikkonen at the Bus Stop chicane at the end of lap 42 of the Spa Francorchamps circuit, but ended up using the run off area to avoid a collision.
Lauda said: "Lewis had an advantage, but then he let him [Raikkonen] go by, then he simply out-braked him into the corner.
"There was no slipstreaming involved, nothing.
"If Lewis had stayed behind Kimi through the chicane, he would have passed him in front of the pits, because Lewis and the McLaren, at that time in the race in the wet, were so much quicker.
"So I do not understand this decision, and it's really bad for the sport because people watching will not watch any more because of this stupid decision."
Lauda, 59, also said that he could understand accusations that Ferrari were being shown favouritism by officials.
"In the past, there have always been rumours and stories," said Lauda. "I've always been completely against them because they've never been proven - that Ferrari, because of its past and history, was always against McLaren with the stewards and the FIA, who if there was a decision, were in favour of Ferrari."
"I've always said this is bulls**t, that this is a sport and you have to be neutral.
"But the decision yesterday makes me believe that everyone is watching Ferrari in a positive way and McLaren in a very negative way.
"What developed yesterday is the biggest mess the sport has ever done.
"It's unbelievable how the best driver in yesterday's race makes no mistakes and only gets six points.
“This is the worst judgment in the history of F1, the most perverted judgment I have ever seen.”
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
I think there are many "flaws" in the rules.
What do you suspect would have happened if Kimi decided not to pass Lewis after he cut the corner the first time (thus keeping Lewis in violation of the gaining an unfair advantage rule), and simply followed Lewis around, slowing down if Lewis tried to let him past (even stopping if necessary, if Lewis was to), and thus allowed Massa to catch up and pass both cars? What would the stewards do in this case?
A real stretch I know, but with the DC and CC on the line, how far will each team push the rules?
BTW Shumi was a master at bending the rules to suit his needs.
That's the problem with all rules and why they need updating as circumstances show up the ommissions
erm, Lewis woudl have driven SLOWER until he did !What do you suspect would have happened if Kimi decided not to pass Lewis after he cut the corner the first time
You can see he is dropping his speed to let Kimi pass.
THen you woudl have had the NEW issue with the rule in that it doesn't have a clause covering the driver who choses to try that. However, there are enough other rules around that could be appled om that case on the day
Penalise him for deliberately slowing down.What would the stewards do in this case?
Teams and drivers have ALWAYS "pushed the rules" ... we normally call it innovationA real stretch I know, but with the DC and CC on the line, how far will each team push the rules?
Schumi was an amateur beside Colin ChapmanBTW Shumi was a master at bending the rules to suit his needs.
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
I hope the WMC reinstates Hamilton's win.
Because at this point, it's going to go before the WMC.
That's the discrepancy that most of us who are angered and confused by this ruling are pointing at. I breifly scanned teh internetz and found this:
Rules involved to follow in next postOriginally Posted by F1.net
Last edited by f6fhellcat13; 09-10-2008 at 06:25 PM.
"Kimi, can you improve on your [race] finish?"
"No. My Finnish is fine; I am from Finland. Do you have any water?"
From everybody's favorite governing body of motorsport:
I've bolded some key points, but the rest is also somewhat worth reading
Edit: Strangely it says nothing about drivers reliquishing their position, maybe that's some kind of gentleman's agreement between the drivers?Originally Posted by The FIA
Last edited by f6fhellcat13; 09-10-2008 at 06:34 PM.
"Kimi, can you improve on your [race] finish?"
"No. My Finnish is fine; I am from Finland. Do you have any water?"
I though this was an interesting analysis of those rules. Sorry about posting so many times, im pretty worked up about this and im psting things as i find them.
Originally Posted by Jokil-F1Fanatic.co.uk
"Kimi, can you improve on your [race] finish?"
"No. My Finnish is fine; I am from Finland. Do you have any water?"
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