RX-8 has world's best engine

[Ferrer]

by todays standards, the RS4, 2.0TFSI, or TDV8 would get my vote

I like the 1.4-litre TSI, but apparently it hasn't been very reliable and will be gradually replaced by the new 1.8-litre turbo engine.

[roosterjuicer]

They published Japanese power figures widely which weren't to teh US SAE standard so were "wrong"
Nothing to do with "dynos".
More Mazda myths ... just like the Renesis burns lots of oil, or doesn't have enough torque or doesnt' have enough power !
( Torque is a minor issue granted unless you're used to riding motorbikes... use the revs )
HOWEVER< power consumption is still an issue. But nobody buys an RX-8 to not thrash it and enjoy the grin, so fuel costs are secondary if considered at all !!!!

well im talking about stuff that happened in america, so yeah they were wrong considering the car was being sold in America.

the burning oil could be a myth, ive never owned one ive just heard they burn a lot of oil.

but the not having enough power or torque isn't a myth, its a fact. just look at the numbers, when you compare it to cars in its class or its competition it gets smoked because it doesn't have enough horsepower or torque. no myth about it.

[Coventrysucks]

but the not having enough power or torque isn't a myth, its a fact.

That's fairly contemptible.

How much is "enough"?

A good car is not necessarily the fastest, and unless you are actually intending to become a race driver, whether it is faster than anything else or not is utterly irrelevant.

The fun of owning a car does not come from bragging about how, theoretically, you could lap the Nordschleife 4 seconds faster than another car (if you were Walter Rohl), but from the experience you have driving the car.

If someone who owns a car enjoys it, and is happy with the performance, how is that, then, not "enough"?

[Mr.Tiv]

That's fairly contemptible.

How much is "enough"?

A good car is not necessarily the fastest, and unless you are actually intending to become a race driver, whether it is faster than anything else or not is utterly irrelevant.

The fun of owning a car does not come from bragging about how, theoretically, you could lap the Nordschleife 4 seconds faster than another car (if you were Walter Rohl), but from the experience you have driving the car.

If someone who owns a car enjoys it, and is happy with the performance, how is that, then, not "enough"?

I agree with that, but, perhaps, he was saying that it's not enough for him.

[Matra et Alpine]

well im talking about stuff that happened in america, so yeah they were wrong considering the car was being sold in America.

Well given that the US SAE only agreed the "certified horsepower" measurment methodology in 2005 not really Mazda's fault is it

the burning oil could be a myth, ive never owned one ive just heard they burn a lot of oil.

No more than most performance cars.
The RX-8 is designed to burn oil supplied via a special injection in high-stress driving. Treat it like a pussycast and it uses no more oil than any other family car. Push it and it does no more than any performance car with no/limited oil scraper rings. But, you do have to be aware of it and top it up as necessary. I've been using about 1litre of oil for 2500 miles and almost all of that is high stress and includes track and competition. Did less than half of that with the rally Escort !!!!

but the not having enough power or torque isn't a myth, its a fact. just look at the numbers, when you compare it to cars in its class or its competition it gets smoked because it doesn't have enough horsepower or torque. no myth about it.

Use the gears and the revs and it does not get "smoked"
It's not the fastest acclerating, cos with 4 doors and all the luxuries it's not the lightest. Hadling though is excellent and predictable.
It has PLENTY of torque at the wheels, witness the need to run the traction control !
Biggest number of incidents in UK owners has been the RX-8 stepping out on exitign junctions on full throttle !!
However, I would concur that if driven to expect to pull from 2000 revs it's like an oil tanker Not the car then ... the driver.
Handling on the RX-8 version I have - PZ Prodrive - is fantastic, perfectly balanced REAL easy to keep corner speed and have high exit speed. IS hard work on track as it takes lots of gear changes to manage that though. Said it often, you drive a rotary the way you ride a race bike !

So not a 911 or a Corvette but not their price either and able to carry 4 adults in comfort

However, we were just discussing the engine ..... yes, it woudl be silly to put a rotary engine into a 4 gear auto 2 ton vehicle. Not what it is designed for. However will be intersting to see where Mazda take teh Hydrogen powered engine ( uniquely switchable back to petrol !!! ) or thier integrated electric hybrid. At the time it woon the award I believe it was rightfully applauded for improving on the previosu gen rotary, meeting emissions regulations and offering VERY compact space enabling designers to optimise position. ( Again, applause to Mazda for making a 4 seater with a boot that has perfect 50:50 weight in a road car -- not with 2 adults in the back tho' )

It's the fuel economy that really sucks on it for it's engine size and performance. We're used to much better, though not that far different from US averages.

I agree with that, but, perhaps, he was saying that it's not enough for him.

Never having tried it how can someone know ? 230hp in a 7 delivers different performance than in a Bentley
Suspect, give the other "facts" thast it's magazine articles and on-line forums

[Mr.Tiv]

Never having tried it how can someone know ? 230hp in a 7 delivers different performance than in a Bentley
Suspect, give the other "facts" thast it's magazine articles and on-line forums

I'm not defending his stance. Just pointing out the possibility that he meant it's not enough for him as opposed to just not being enough. I suspect that I'd find it quite enjoyable.

People don't always word things well. I've noticed that not many people, and I'm guilty of this myself, actually want to find out what someone else is trying to convey; they prefer to jump to a conclusion and tell the other that they're wrong.

[Matra et Alpine]

very laudable.



But re-read post 23 an 28

[Mr.Tiv]

But re-read post 23 an 28

Sorry, I had only skimmed through. After re-readding 23, I see the issue.

[Coventrysucks]

I agree with that, but, perhaps, he was saying that it's not enough for him.

If he has not driven the car, how is he in a position to comment as to whether it has "enough" power for him or not?

[Mr.Tiv]

i have driven an rx-8 and while they are neat cars i would say they are about 100hp shy of being a great car.

Well, he claims he has, and I'm just not cynical enough to doubt him for no reason.

Like I said, Coventry, I had only skimmed the thread(obviously not that well), so just ignore my comments.

[Coventrysucks]

i have driven an rx-8

Yeah, I suppose that does spoil my argument a little.

Still; "enough for what purpose?"

[Ferrer]

That's fairly contemptible.

How much is "enough"?

A good car is not necessarily the fastest, and unless you are actually intending to become a race driver, whether it is faster than anything else or not is utterly irrelevant.

The fun of owning a car does not come from bragging about how, theoretically, you could lap the Nordschleife 4 seconds faster than another car (if you were Walter Rohl), but from the experience you have driving the car.

If someone who owns a car enjoys it, and is happy with the performance, how is that, then, not "enough"?

I can only agree completely with this post.

[Mr.Tiv]

"enough for what purpose?"

I don't know. It's more than enough to get arrested.

[Matra et Alpine]

I don't know. It's more than enough to get arrested.

and some
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haIKkcNaQOs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QDox4aMGC4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErcuNWgmR8o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-6siPj_uBA
and that's just us crazy Scots playing

[jcp123]

RX8 engine? Bah.

Anything carbureted FTMFW!!!