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[f6fhellcat13]

That is why the base models should be rear wheel drive instead of front wheel drive then maybe...

Still, does anyone know if they are now front-middle engined instead of front engined?

We should be grateful when Audi adopts a front-front engined layout. As hideous as the Grille is, the engine has no place on front of it. FB if you will; front-bumper mounted engine.

BTW, Ferrer, it's nice to see someone who disagrees with Kitdy as much as I do.

[Kitdy]

The problem is that then Audi's main selling point would be almost pointless.

And by the way, I don't think new Audi's are front-mid engined just that the engine has moved back a bit.

We should be grateful when Audi adopts a front-front engined layout. As hideous as the Grille is, the engine has no place on front of it. FB if you will; front-bumper mounted engine.

BTW, Ferrer, it's nice to see someone who disagrees with Kitdy as much as I do.

It was only a suggestion but it makes little sense I now realize. I think an Audi without quattro is like impotent or something.

[Ferrer]

It was only a suggestion but it makes little sense I now realize. I think an Audi without quattro is like impotent or something.

I actually can't quite see the point of Audi's four wheel drive.

(I can't see the point of an Audi at all, but that's another matter)

[lightweight]

I actually can't quite see the point of Audi's four wheel drive.

(I can't see the point of an Audi at all, but that's another matter)

Come on, I think Audis are decent family cars. Not sports cars, family cars.

I really would prefer an A5 to a C Class Sports Coupe any day.

Of course they understeer, but they were designed to understeer...

[Ferrer]

Come on, I think Audis are decent family cars. Not sports cars, family cars.

I really would prefer an A5 to a C Class Sports Coupe any day.

Of course they understeer, but they were designed to understeer...

But if you want a family car why not buy a Ford or a Renault? Or even a Volkswagen?

If I pay more I want more. Audis (at least normal ones) just don't deliver.

[LeonOfTheDead]

If there's ever a Catalan Top Gear, my vote goes to you being the main presenter on it, because that was brilliant. A good Audi? Priceless.

You wouldn't even classify the R8 as good? The S8?

The S8 is the last sporty luxury sedan I would consider.

I actually can't quite see the point of Audi's four wheel drive.

(I can't see the point of an Audi at all, but that's another matter)

the point of their AWD/4WD systems is that they are greed and don't want to send some money to find a way to send more than 250 bhp trough the rear wheels only.
and probably there are people thinking the four rings on the grille are there because of the quattro system.

[lightweight]

But if you want a family car why not buy a Ford or a Renault? Or even a Volkswagen?

If I pay more I want more. Audis (at least normal ones) just don't deliver.

They don't deliver sporty performance. But they deliver in other areas (comfort, luxury, NVH, straight line performance and image).

That does it for a 40-year old. But 20 year olds don't buy A4 and A6's, so job done for Audi.

The 20 year old buys the MX5 Mk1 and everyone is happy

[LeonOfTheDead]

They don't deliver sporty performance. But they deliver in other areas (comfort, luxury, NVH, straight line performance and image).

That does it for a 40-year old. But 20 year olds don't buy A4 and A6's, so job done for Audi.

The 20 year old buys the MX5 Mk1 and everyone is happy

20 YO guys buys A3, and after that the A4. If they are rich enough they go A6 or even Q7. A whole generation has been ruined.

[lightweight]

20 YO guys buys A3, and after that the A4. If they are rich enough they go A6 or even Q7. A whole generation has been ruined.

The 20 YO's dad buys him the A3 because it's big, safe and it understeers

Until he buys his next car, he has been converted to a lover of undesteer.

[Ferrer]

They don't deliver sporty performance. But they deliver in other areas (comfort, luxury, NVH, straight line performance and image).

That does it for a 40-year old. But 20 year olds don't buy A4 and A6's, so job done for Audi.

The 20 year old buys the MX5 Mk1 and everyone is happy

I can tell you that they aren't very comfortable. If you want comfort there other much better options.

As for straight line performance again, there are competent options for much less money than what an Audi costs.

As for image, well...

And Damiano is right, there's plenty of 20 year olds that think Audis are great.

[clutch-monkey]

Come on, I think Audis are decent family cars. Not sports cars, family cars.

I really would prefer an A5 to a C Class Sports Coupe any day.

Of course they understeer, but they were designed to understeer...

i don't like either of those, so buying them in the first place is pointless to me

imo there is no reason to buy an A4...ever.

[Ferrer]

i don't like either of those, so buying them in the first place is pointless to me

imo there is no reason to buy an A4...ever.

Or an A8 or especially an A6 for that matter.

[lightweight]

I can tell you that they aren't very comfortable. If you want comfort there other much better options.

As for straight line performance again, there are competent options for much less money than what an Audi costs.

I am comparing to similar priced cars in their category, i.e. Mercedes / BMW etc.

[QUOTE=Ferrer;883196As for image, well...[/QUOTE]

The Audi image is similar to a Mercedes / BMW / Volvo / Saab i.e. luxury family cars.

And Damiano is right, there's plenty of 20 year olds that think Audis are great.

Yes, but since they are premium models, few 20 year olds can by them. Unless their parents can provide it, in which case it becomes a car that the 20 year old buys with the PERMISSION of his dad, which is a completely different thing. But let's not go into shopping patterns and family decision making processes

[Ferrer]

I am comparing to similar priced cars in their category, i.e. Mercedes / BMW etc.

Jag XF.

[LeonOfTheDead]

The 20 YO's dad buys him the A3 because it's big, safe and it understeers

Until he buys his next car, he has been converted to a lover of undesteer.

I was serious, teenagers love Audis, it's not only about their fathers.
When I was 18 I was dreaming of fitting a Integra Type R engine in a mk1 Elise.
The average rich douche bag 18 guy is dreaming of a diesel A3, or even (sorry Albert) a 120d, even if he could afford, and daddy would pay, even for a 135 or whatever it's a really sporty and young car.

I personally know a guy who wanted a Mini R53.
He and his father went to the dealer, and the seller convinced the father to test drive a Cooper S JCW. He was in love and ready to buy. The son still wanted the Cooper D.
period.