Bathurst 24 hour

[Falcon500]

Well what you just said isnt neciserily a bad thing either given that some people with that attitude are the kind to more then likely drive around in rattle trap cars that have only the minimum attention payed under bonnet. These people slow down traffic when their cars break down (and when not taken proper care of usually do) they dont care about their own car let alone anyone elses so they take risks on our roads and are the kind to touch park and so on. And there is also the added bonus that if that system putspeople off that itll reduce the number of cars on the road (bonus)n itll reduce the amount of wear on the road surface(bonus) and itll also raise the quality of the cars on our roads reducing emissions and stuff like that (even if only slightly)

[fpv_gtho]

well theyre all good points, and it would i guess substantially reduce city traffic, as people in the city dont give a rats arse about their cars, they just by a new one every couple of years to assure themselves nothings going to go wrong. emissions would be a huge part, people who know nothing about cars either drive real old shitboxes from the 60's or drive the latest flash thing in a hope that it wont break, and getting rid of all those old cars would certainly clean the air

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by fpv_gtho

and getting rid of all those old cars would certainly clean the air

especially if they were diesels - smoke belching - traffic clogging - pieces of crap.

[fpv_gtho]

if you were to talk about diesels like that to a Pom, i think you'd be shot. the older diesels certainly were what you said, but now with new blends of diesels burning almost as clean as petrol and the new common rail diesels popping up everywhere except here, the bad reputation of diesels is starting to go away. it'll take a good few years for us to have a change of opinion though, especially when only the french makers seem interested in importing diesel cars and holden are the only locals who have said anything about putting a diesel in a locally produced car, albeit a V8 diesel thats over 6.0L which would make it hard to see the developments in power to diesels that have made many europeans chose them over petrol power

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by fpv_gtho
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that have made many europeans chose them over petrol power

As in Oz, it's the subsidy that diesel fuel has enjoyed for nearly 100 years - it's what makes diesel cheaper. The EU is changing its collective mind and in September released a paper discussing the lifting of diesel subsidies across Europe. Diesel engines add to greenhouse effects because of the nature of the pollutants and is not directly related to amount of visible particles - the black crap that blows past the rings on every 4WD more than 2 years old when you try and pass it going up a hill.

[Falcon500]

Well the f250 turbo desil were getting are comman rails as well as the explorors are common rails as well(i think) but personally i really dont like desils their polluting and their now more expensive then unleaded. Well one of my mates parents bough a camry based on the fact one of her frinds had one and shes heard good things about one and shes had only slighly less problems then she did wither her bluie bird station wagon its a good car with a good record but things just seem to happen and with it being a jap car (camry) peices arnt cheap.

[fpv_gtho]

well although diesels do have unique emissions to petrol, the new blends of diesel are alot cleaner burning and have alot cleaner emissions.

the f series trucks australia gets still have the 7.3L diesel which isnt the commonrail unit and the explorers dont come in a diesel. that camry mustve been pretty old to have been a jap one

[Falcon500]

Yeah but the ones you see on the road are VISIBLY choofing out smoke. if anything can chrun out that much smoke the words clean and emissions have to be an oxymorn.
And the Camry is a 93 model yes i know they were degined here but it is jap owned and still carries the same price tags that come with the jap replacement parts many hundreds for the radiator.

[fpv_gtho]

well the new tech diesels are pretty rare on our shores, only the french manufacturers are that blind to see we dont care for diesel powered cars

[Falcon500]

I have actually seen a few desil powerd puegots and ive talkedto a few of their drivers with mixed responses some like them for their fuel eccomy and some people hate them saying a 120y would be faster.

[fpv_gtho]

well practically all the people ive heard about that like them, argue the fact they produce 400-500nm of torque from about 1000-2000nm from like a 2.0L engine. someone even said they make V8's sound useless, but they still only produce 90-100kw power usually

[Falcon500]

Well the way i see itis they preform well for what they are sure they might be sluggish but they get good fuel ecconmy and effortless (reasobly) pulling power. There once was a gemini that had a desil motor slow as a model T (not literly) but really good fuel eccomy and with the then cheap desilprice was a good buy.

[BiTurbo]

Originally posted by fpv_gtho
well although diesels do have unique emissions to petrol, the new blends of diesel are alot cleaner burning and have alot cleaner emissions.

'Unique' is a polite way of putting it - diesel emissions are more harmful than any other power except coal.
New diesels mixes are cleaner - but only cleaner when compared to diesel itself.
Could you imagine sitting in peak hour surrounded by hundreds of diesels engines? - NO THANKS.

[fpv_gtho]

Originally posted by BiTurbo
Could you imagine sitting in peak hour surrounded by hundreds of diesels engines? - NO THANKS.

better not take a trip to europe any day soon then. the number of diesels there is almost equal to the amount of petrol engines.

[fpv_gtho]

but then again, the diesels used in europe have a low carbon count so it wouldn't be any worse than being in peak hour traffic in sydney or anywhere for that matter