More guns still leads to suicides and murders of family members and where there are guns...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1568607.stm[/QUOTE]
That is a myth and has been disproven. In the U.S., at least.
http://www.lizmichael.com/ninemyth.htm
More guns still leads to suicides and murders of family members and where there are guns...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/1568607.stm[/QUOTE]
That is a myth and has been disproven. In the U.S., at least.
http://www.lizmichael.com/ninemyth.htm
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even better:
Originally from Pennsylvania, now hailing from Casa Grande, Arizona, I graduated from the Ivy League University of Pennsylvania, from Wharton,the number one business school in the country according to Business Week. I co-founded a computer company called Analon, Inc. which manufactures computers and engages in Systems Integration. I have been the Senior Executive Producer for Mary Flash Productions, which produced the television show Lady Liberty, which I co-hosted, and backed several music productions including my own band. I began my career as an Accountant specializing in Tax Law and Preparation, and still hire tax clients. I have been an entrepreneur in the clothing industry, the real estate industry, a professional vocalist, composer, and lyricist. I used to be a wrestling reporter for Pro-Wrestling Digest and have occasionally wrestled professionally as "The Taskmistress". I am also a marketing executive for Melaleuca. And I am the chief webmistress of this site, LizMichael.com .
Honor. Courage. Commitment. Etcetera.
Like this one:
http://www.cato.org/dailys/05-13-00.html
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Yeah...how about there shouldn't be ANY accidents with guns involving children.Gun accidents involving children are actually at record lows
But you were comparing the laws to the U.K. Stay on track.
I don’t. I believe the proliferation of them in a society prone to violence is illogical and unnecessarily dangerous.
That is a myth and has been disproven. In the U.S., at least.
http://www.lizmichael.com/ninemyth.htm[/QUOTE]
Crap. That site posts a list of ridiculous statements and sets about disproving them in the main by referring to Gary Klecks work of creative fiction.
Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America.
Another NRA pinup boy for those who don’t know -
Gary Kleck (born March 2, 1951) is a criminologist at Florida State University who is an expert on the links between guns, violence and gun control laws in the United States.
Dr. Gary Kleck, FSU Criminologist, with FDLE firearms display
He has done statistical analysis of crime in the United States and argues that while in 1993 there were about four hundred thousand crimes committed with guns, there were approximately 2.5 million crimes in which victims used guns for self-protection. This figure was later disputed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Kleck
One advocate of the value of handguns for self-defense is Gary Kleck, professor of criminology at Florida State University in Tallahassee. Kleck and his colleague Mark Gertz claim their survey research indicates that civilians use guns in self-defense up to 2.5 million times a year. Naturally enough, the NRA and the gun industry have widely cited Kleck’s work as proof of the value of owning a gun. But Dr. David Hemenway, a professor at Harvard’s School of Public Health, dissected the work of Kleck and Gertz in The Journal of Criminal Law & Criminology, concluding that their survey contained ”a
huge overestimation bias” and that their estimate is “highly exaggerated.” Hemenway applied Kleck and Gertz’s methodology to a 1994 ABC News/Washington Post survey in which people were asked if they had ever seen an alien spacecraft or come into direct contact with a space alien. He
demonstrated that, by the application of Kleck and Gertz’s methodology, one would conclude that almost 20 million Americans have seen a spacecraft from another planet and more than a million have actually met space aliens.
http://www.consumerfed.org/pdfs/self_defense.pdf
Feel free to take some points out of that for discussion. Merely posting links with no narrative is lazy and pointless.
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Egg Nogg 02-04-2005, 05:07 AM
Oh, wikipedia. The website in which anyone can contribute information and "facts" with it being validated.
The facts and statistics speak for themselves.Feel free to take some points out of that for discussion. Merely posting links with no narrative is lazy and pointless.
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Fleet, firstly it is painfully obvious that the "Nine Myths" article is nothing like a rational, balanced statistical analysis; it is a polemic from a blatant bias standpoint that cherry picks a few random statistics to back up its ridiculously one-sided claims.
Secondly, did you even look at the references in the article footnotes? Not a single quoted study was written within the last 12 years. Most are from either the 80s or early 90s, a couple from the 70s and even one from 1969!!! To cherry pick a few stats from relatively ancient and hopelessly outdated articles and attempt to apply them to a modern situation and debate is about as pathetic as it can possibly get in journalistic terms. It's as poor, as cynical and as manipulative an attempt at "journalism" as you're ever likely to find on the subject.
Still, if it makes you happy to believe what this Liz Michael woman is saying then go ahead, carry on deluding yourself.
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Come on, don't give me that. There are more recent figures out there. Perhaps you can post figures which show the ones I posted inaccurate?
Actually, I didn't hear about Liz until I came across her website. I don't necessarily believe here but I do believe facts and statistics.Still, if it makes you happy to believe what this Liz Michael woman is saying then go ahead, carry on deluding yourself.
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Oh no my friend. Typically you spend precious little time reading the content and look for cop outs. The attached PDF, while posted on Wiki, has various references to authoritative sources.
A 1997 American Journal of Public Health study showed that family members that had a history of buying a handgun from a licensed dealer were twice as likely to die in a suicide or homicide as were persons similarly situated who had no such family history of gun purchase. This increased risk persisted for more than five years after the handgun was purchased.
The New England Journal of Medicine, found that having a gun in
the home made it nearly three times more likely that someone in the family will be killed. This risk is particularly high for women, who are more likely to be killed by a spouse, intimate acquaintance, or close relative.
An Archives of Internal Medicine study found that, with one or more guns in the home, the risk of suicide among women increased nearly five times and the risk of homicide increased more than three times.
Data from the FBI’s Crime in the United States reveals that for every time in 1998 that a civilian used a handgun to kill in self-defense, 50 people lost their lives in handgun homicides alone.
http://www.consumerfed.org/pdfs/self_defense.pdf
They are neither facts nor statistics. Just clumsily written paraphrases that invite the required response.
You have nothing.
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