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| HoldenV8 04-25-2006 |
Tests by various Australian based car magazines have given the Monaro CV8 a top speed of 270kmh. Not bad for a car with a pushrod engine. |
| Monaro is back. Game Over. |
| Milamber 15-6-2003 |
Bloody hell you bunch whinge a lot. I wonder how many of you actually own (or have even driven) a CV8 Monaro? Personally, I think the Monaro is a very nice car, especially the new Series 2 model. Sure, it's 30 kilowatts short of the XR8's 260, but it's also about 200kgs lighter. And why the hell are people comparing the Monaro to Evo VI's andd the like? It's like comparing a Ferrari to a Daewoo. Don't do that. And anyway, the Monaro looks ten times better than those little try hard fours. Give me a decent V8 any day of the week. Holden. Drive On. |
| my mistake |
| mustangcobraR 22-5-2003 |
umm, crisis, i was talkin about the new GT40, aka ford GT. Holden is not literally seperate from GM, after all like u said, the Gen III is chevrolet. All i'm sayin is that they aren't GM, and that the company is not as big as ford. And how is holden competing with Ford worldwide? The only company they're competing with is Ford Australia, and like holden, Ford Australia though related by name, arent actually Ford of america. Ford Australia always has to have permission from ford america before they do anything new. |
| In fact Ford do have a proper race car, sort of... |
| quatters 14-5-2003 |
The new XR6 Turbo has the capability to be a fantastic sports car, but there were a few problems. 1) It put out WAY MORE power then the XR8 and GT. And as it's supposed to be bottom of the line, they retarded it's power. 2) Even with the power retardation it still outruns the XR8 and I think even the GT 3) It's fat, really fat. But still weighs a hell of a lot less then the stupid V8s. But with a couple of Mods a proper air filter, exhaust & ecu, it would be up to it's proper potential. Possibly even up to beating a HSV GTS. Personally I think Ford's descision was stupid. They should have left it alone and just renamed it something different so that way they don't have to worry about it having more power then their other cars AND they would have a real powerhouse on their hands. |
| keep kicking |
| crisis 6-5-2003 |
"Whats the sudden interest in building taxis? OK you win , let Ford have the taxis, Ill have a Monaro. I know the Monaro is a heap of shit, not worth the money, posers car blah blah but hey, thats what us Holden wankers like. If the GT40 is your supercar then yes Ford have been sitting on their arses and for a long time. That thing dates back to the 60's, fine automobile that it was an all. Dont think that the Ford BA GT is not an exercise in ""brand building"" either. Ford understand it is exactly what they have been missing for many years (Ford Australia, as I see it is of importance to you to be exact). See the article on Prodrive in the May edition of Wheels. If you want to insist that Holden owes no allegiance to GM ( which is just selective crap ) then Im not sure if I still supposed to feel guilty about the Gen III not being made in Australia. If Holden is seperate from GM then they are doing a great job to even compete with Ford worldwide. Youre starting to sound a lot more like kickholdens. Careful!" |
| note |
| mustangcobraR 4-5-2003 |
The car i was referring as a 'beast' in my last entry is the HRT 427 monaro, and not this stock monaro. |
| ok |
| mustangcobraR 4-5-2003 |
Umm, crisis, i think what 'kickholden' meant was that why should holden bother to create a porsche-beating monaro?. He believes its because they want to create a good image, thats basically the evidence, as you should have known if you read articles about his beast. And about the taxi's, its the fact that you dont see much commodores as taxi's, yes there may be a few, but rarely you'll ever find a commo as a taxi, well, not as much as ford. And what are you talkin about ford sitting on their arses and not develop a product? GT40. You might think yeh but thats in america, well duh, when u say ford you're actually talking about the whole organisation. And yes you'll probably start fighting back by saying holden is GM? Well you guys got to face the facts that holden is not GM, only a company which GM owns. Personally, i think 'Ford Australia', is too busy making cars that are profitable, than to throw away money on a one-off thing. Yes it would be nice to see Ford Australia make a pure race car to challenge this beast but why should they?. |
| ramble on |
| crisis 28-4-2003 |
"So now Holden are being chastised for ""building as good looking a car as possible for as little as possible, and then make as much money as they can"". Wouldnt all manufacturers be trying this? What straws are we clutching to now? Holden ""don't make taxis"". They make Commodores, some of which may end up as taxis, like a particular S Commodore I saw last week. ""Pay Police"" to use them? What type of criticism is this. What evidence do you have to support it. ""Need to build a Porsche beating Monaro for the track"". Should they sit on their arse like Ford have for so long and not develope their product. If they did that you would accuse them of sitting on their laurels. None of what you have said is criticism, it just doesnt make sense. Your screen name says all your comments ever try to." |
| "Holden ""image""" |
| Kick Holdens 18-4-2003 |
"It's all in Holden's 'oh so sexy' image. All Holden are really doing is making as good looking a car as possible for as little as possible, and then make as much money as they can. They're not really concerned about how good their cars are; just how many they can sell. Why do you think Holden don't make taxis, but pay police to use Commodores? Why do you think they 'needed' to build a Porsche-beating Monaro on track? It's all about image; dishonest advertising to overstate a pretty lousy product." |
| sorry? |
| mustangcobraR 17-4-2003 |
crisis 04/08/2003 Mustangcobra. I apologize. I didnt realize that you were comparing it to ALL of the other 225kw V8 rear wheel drive 4 seat coupes under $70000 that are available in Australia. Can you remind me which ones they are again. We want to make sure we are comparing apples with apples dont we. Umm crisis, if you read past entries, which i did, many people compared this car to cheaper cars that are better value, i did not intentionally compare this to other coupes, but the overall car and price. Yes this is a 'pretty' good price for a coupe when compared to other coupes, but why bother?, like one of the past entries before, the XR8 has more power, and frankly, more doors. And if you're aware of the australian market, you would know that this is a rip-off! Here it costs about 55 grand. XR8 is about 50 grand. I believe only holden die-hards would but this monaro. |
| sorry |
| crisis 8-4-2003 |
Mustangcobra. I apologize. I didnt realize that you were comparing it to ALL of the other 225kw V8 rear wheel drive 4 seat coupes under $70000 that are available in Australia. Can you remind me which ones they are again. We want to make sure we are comparing apples with apples dont we. |
| hopeless |
| mustangcobraR 3-4-2003 |
Umm crisis, the reason why we are saying its bad value is because of the fact that there are better cars in the AUSTRLAIAN market. yes it might be good-value overseas, but when you compare it to cars of australia, then it is pretty hopeless. |
| "STOCKY""S PLAIN WRONG" |
| moparmal 1-3-2003 |
"STOCKY, You'll find you've got it plain wrong, basic Monaro is a 7.3 0-100kph car, check Holdens official web site for the facts. Sure the GTX and GTO are tougher, but they're still only into the 13's. But I agree with you though, it's nice to see a two door ""Man sized"" car built in Australia again, instead of pint sized plastic billboards that look and sound like bloated goldfish. Sure they're quick, but they sound like an asthmatic granny with a load full of heavy luggage, and they look like something thats been in the sun too long. Oh and on last thing, it's nice to have Holden trying out for theMuscle car stakes again, maybe this time they'll get close to the 6.8 sec 0-100 that my mates E38 Charger runs, in stock trim...............and that's three speed manual!" |
| less is more |
| crisis 21-1-2003 |
If you think coupes should be the same price or cheaper than their 4 door siblings based purely on door count you may want to check the prices of BMW 3 series or Nissan Skyline 2 door vs 4 door. When production of the Monaro was first announced most motoring journos expected a price from around $70000 to $90000 based on volume of sales. If its such bad value how can the GM in the US sell it as a GTO in their highly protected market and why are they being sent to Saudi Arabia which is closer to Europe and why does Vauxhall in England think they can sell it. And if you think its our great exchange rate think again. Mitsubishi is flogging up spec Magnas into the US for US$50000. Do the maths. |
| In a word....HOPELESS!!!! |
| dm2hot4u 21-1-2003 |
lets just use our brains here...two less doors, one less seat, less bodykits, and a price $10k greater than a commodore ss! bullshit. who are holden trying to rip-off??? got it right SkYlInE_gTr, crisis, and FPV_GTHO! |
| good value |
| crisis 15-1-2003 |
Not only does the XR8 have more power, its got more doors too. Then again a Subaru has more driving wheels and a Kia Carnival has more seats and Im sure the new Mazda 6 has more drink holders. |
| good value? ur kidding |
| FPV_GTHO 14-1-2003 |
how can this car be good value at $55000-$60000 when u can get a ba xr8 for $50130? the series 2 monaro is 235kw and 465nm compared to and underated 260kw and 500nm from the xr8. wheres the better value there |
| Not worth it |
| dom 8-1-2003 |
If my memory serves me right, i remember motor took a holden CV8 Monaro to BFYB (bang for your bucks) 2002. Out of nine cars it ranked 6th . Cameron McConville stated although the engine note was awesome, it had to little understeer travelling at high speeds. Anyway the Ford TE50 , which ranked 5th, is $500 cheaper. Makes you wonder.... is really worth it? |
| Not so crash hot |
| Sweet 25-12-2002 |
I really dont see the fuss with this car, as one of the previous comments said... its just a commodore with two less doors. It is not that fantastic... give me a clubsport anyday! |
| keep your fingers to yourself |
| crisis 22-12-2002 |
Youre right SAJN. Anyone who calls themselves kickholdens is unlikely to be dishing out too many compliments to Holdens. I have a Gen III six speed and I wouldnt call the gearbox clunky. Also anyone who spends their time at Auto salons sticking their pinky in gaps in panels should probably try sticking them somewhere else. Truth be known he probably isnt old enough to have a licence anyway. |
| I have one. |
| SAJN 22-12-2002 |
I have a CV8 I like it. If you don't like a car someone else is driving why worry about it. That's whats cool about cars there is a lot of choice to match a lot of different tastes. Enjoy your car and let others enjoy theirs. Kick Holdens needs to take a pill and have a good lie down. |
| Badge Cachet |
| IBrake4Rainbows 15-12-2002 |
The Monaro badge will always have a place in Aussie Hearts, just as the GTHO or maybe (at a stretch) the Kingswood. This car is popular because it provides the average person with head turning style with a reasonably grunty engine, it Europe the same price would get you a 3.0 litre Mondeo or summink. Sure, it's unsophisticated, but it's also cheap to build and to fix. And anyway, whats wrong with being vain, it's being intolerant that causes so many battles. |
| What's so great about it? |
| Kick Holdens 14-12-2002 |
I have great difficulty in determining what is so good about this car. Sure, it doesn't look bad, but is that everything? It's got the peaky Gen3, and the clunky six-speeder gearbox, the FE2O3 (rusty) suspension designed in the 1960's or there-abouts, and absolutely shoddy build quality. Saw an HSV version at the Auto Expo in Perth. It had a spoiler lining off the rear of the boot, separating and than continuing to the rear quarter-panels. The gap in between was inconsistent for each side of the car. I could squeeze my pinky in one side, and the other side I could barely fit a finger-nail (not that I have any). The boot also dropped to lower than the tops of the rear quarter panels. It just really has poor and unacceptable build quality. There are so many inconsistencies it's not funny! Then they trun around and charge a fortune for these things. I think I'd sooner wait for the GT. It'd be way better, just like all the BA Falcons kick the VY's where it hurts most. |
| weight and drivetrain loss |
| Astina Turbo 13-12-2002 |
Well well well well, CV8, do you understand the concept of power to weight ratio? Obviously not. How much power does a 98 wrx have? 160kw. How much then for an ls1 powered 2002 commodore s? 225kw. But which is quicker over the quarter? And in the mountains? And between traffic lights? Even given that the wrx has more drivetrain loss to contend with. My import engine powered astina has 134kw and only free flowing exhaust and intake mods, it is front wheel drive and has bugger all friction loss through the drive train.It is stock height but has modified suspension and brakes. I have raced heaps of 225 and 250kw holdens around the city and country and i've only lost once, to my mates 5.7ltr ute and that was on the freeway. Of course the monaro will have a higher top speed. As I said the run I had took place in the mountains. You can decide for yourself what you want to believe but quoting figures tells only half the story. Have you ever watched a gtp race? Explain how a 1.3ltr gti can keep up with a 4.0ltr xr6. At wakefield park recently I watched as a gts300kw was cut down to size by evo's and wrx's with much less power and torque, must have been the weight difference. |
| GT-R = Monaro ? Certainly not. |
| GTS25t 4-12-2002 |
Well for starters a Monaro is not a more valuable car than a GT-R. Those 60k GT-Rs you are talking about are without exception second hand examples, whereas the Monaro for 60k is brand new. Try buying a brand new GT-R for less than 100k.... it may be possible, but it'll probably take more effort than it's worth. The amount of technology in any GT-R exceeds any Commodore derivative built so far. I'm not going to argue over which one is best, but in my mind those are clear facts. Secondly, whenever I see these sorts of arguments, the one factor which never gets a look in is weight. Sorry, but no matter how powerful an engine they put in a Commodore/Falcon, nor how much attention is given to the chassis dynamics, until they can pare the weight down to 1400kg or less I cannot consider them as a real sports car (and yes a GT-R is heavier than 1400kg... but then again I'm quite happy with my sub-1400kg-soon-to-be-GTR engined GTS25t- and in the unlikely event I purchase a GT-R, my first action would be weight reduction). Sporty perhaps but certainly not a real sports car (I feel the same way about the increasingly bloated Lamborghini range). You can engineer a heavy car to behave like a lighter car, but it still does not change the fact that a heavier car has exponentially more inertia at equivalent speeds as a lighter car. Of course this only important to me as I do infrequent track work and am always lusting after a lighter car. Others are not concerned about this and that negative on the Monaro/Commodore range is not a factor. Certainly the Monaro has many positive attributes and when I see one I consider it as a desireable and well engineered car. The attitude I cannot stand, no matter which side has the attitude, is: 'ours shits all over yours and yours is good for nothing' (propagated by hordes of stickers displaying a kid urinating on a brand name or logo). Comparisons of cars are great. They allow a potential buyer to decide which car has the attributes they desire and see what they are missing by not taking up the alternative. Almost any car has positive attributes and areas where they outdo or even outshine others in their class, and even when you are at the top of the food chain, there tends to always be a bigger fish lurking in the depths. Variety. It's the spice of life. |
| More data for Pimple Faced Racers |
| CV8 4-12-2002 |
Well, well, well a Mazda 323 Astina 1.8 lire Turbo that can knock off a CV8 Monaro. I could not find confirmed stock figures for a Mazda 323 Astina Turbo 1.8 litre so I will quote figures for the top of the range Mazda 323 GT-R and GT-X both of which where developed for rallying and are four wheel drive. Mazda quote the GT-R at 139kw DIN @ 5,000 rpm and a maximum torque of 240Nm at 4,500 rpm. The GT-X is quoted at 123kw DIN @ 5,000 rpm and a maximum torque of 223Nm at 4,500 rpm. Mazda quote the 0-100kmh time of the GT-R as 7.20 secs and the GT-X as 7.80 secs. GM-H quotes the Gen III at 225kW @5200 rpm and 460Nm@ 4400 rpm. Various Australian magazines have quoted the CV8 Monaro at between 5.8 and 6.4 seconds for 0-100kmh The manul gear box ratios of the Mazda GT-R and GT-X are (Monaro ratio�s in brackets) 1st 3.454 (2.66), 2nd 1.833 (1.78), 3rd 1.310 (1.30), 4th 0.970 (1.00), 5th 0.717 (0.74), the Mazda�s do not have a sixth gear awhile the Monaro has a 0.50 6th Gear. The Mazda�s final drive ratios are (front) 4.214 and (rear) 3.909 driving 15 inch road wheels and the Monaro (with traction control) has a final drive ration of 3.460 driving 18 inch road wheels. Digesting all the above data would indicate that the only time a Astina would give a Monaro CV8 a hard time is on a very windy, very narrow down hill road. |
| what??? |
| rb30 23-11-2002 |
i have to say that the monaro is one of the better looking holdens, but that performance is average i have had a ride in the cv8 and also in the hsv gts coupe and just last night got blown off by many a jap cars in sufers in me mates vt ss especially this one little evo 6. the gtr isnt in the same class as the munro because it is a twin turbo all wheel drive six it cuts 0-100 in mid 4.4s 0-400 12.8 the only holden that can do that is HRT 427. Unfotunatly we aussies just cant compete with the nippon stuff especially those skylines and supra's with 1000+ bhp. never seen anything more than 600 bhp out of a holden v8 except supercars. but if there is send some info i would love too see a real aussie beast instead of the regular crud. |
| wakey wakey hands off snakey |
| Stocky 20-11-2002 |
I'm gonna keep this simple since its my 4th try at attempting to get a comment passed. VL_Turbo mate wake up. The monaro is no where near overated and is infact one of the most sophisticated vehicles that Holden have had in their production line. Monaros do 0 - 100 in high fives, low sixes...i've seen it done and are a much more reliable, more valuable vehicle than a skyline GT-R that is bought for the same price. sure some gt-r's with mods might pull better better times but they are not in the same class as the monaro. It's a fantastic looking car with sleek curves and an indugerable interior. it is one of the best all-round vehicles today and many companies can't achieve this any more. Looks, performance and value for money. 20 years down the track any evo or gt-r won't be worth 10% of what you paid for it. monaros will be worth 70% easy and this has been proven through the original monaros. they have held their value. So jump back in your VL that pulls high sevens and don't raise negatives comments on great vehicles until you own one |
| spell it right |
| shae 14-11-2002 |
"one more thing, skyline_gtr, spell ""commodore"" right, and isn't the skyine ""GT-R"" just a two door skyline? """ |
| Are you all idiots? |
| shae 14-11-2002 |
First of all, i'd like to say, the monaro cv8 is not in the same class as a nissan skyline or evo (any jap cars). If you ask me it's aimed more at the european market, if they wanted to make it fast they would have (hence the HRT 427). Look at it this way. What car can you get for 60K on the road? A little BMW 318i, Mercedes Benz C180? Exactly. This makes the Holden Monaro CV8 good value for money. And i'd also like to say, DIRRRR, it is a two door commodore, but it doesn't mean it's ordinary. There's the better looks of the combined VT/VX/VY design, the improved dynamics of the car and alot better suspension setup. It is a two door commodore, but it shares almost no panels with it's sibling. Does anyone here that is posting a comment even own a Monaro CV8? i don't think so. you all sound like a bunch of idiots with, this is at the most, $20000 cars, SO KEEP DREAMING. |
| Real World Performance |
| Astina Turbo 13-11-2002 |
I don't mind the look of it but is it really worth 50+ grand? I regularly see off gen 3 powered holdens and hsv's of all types with a stock 1.8ltr turbo (import engine). Where can you do 280 kph? Have you looked at the average speed of a v8 supercar lately? On twisty roads, in the traffic light grand prix and anywhere else, salt lake excluded, they just don't cut it. Last week maquarie pass, one monaro cv8 that i caught up to 3rd the way up. It's driver was using all the power and handling and brakes that his $50'000 provided and i was keeping up easily. Game over. I didn't and still don't want one! |
| Pimple Faced Racers with Pimple Face Ideas |
| CV8 22-10-2002 |
"Unlike the commentators here I own a CV8. It is value for money with all the ""options"" available with the Commodore Caprice (except ride leveling). My six speed CV8 pulls 0-100 in varying times 5.8 to 6.2 secs. The only time I have pulled a mid seven was to knock off WRX's, Lancers or Skylines. The CV8 is not the fastest car in the world, but with the GEN III, the Potenza tires and the trick suspension it is one hell of a ride. I'll give you a wave as I cruise past at 280 K's in 6th gear. One other thing watch out for the nasty white cloudy exhaust as your puffer goes poop.Of course you can buy an Evo VI or an GT-R or a WRX Sti or a Dodge Viper GTS-R or a Ferrari for that matter but you hav'nt have you ? Back to your BMX's boys and let the men thrrrrough.""" |
| Will always look a winner |
| MothBall 11-10-2002 |
Holden at long last has brought style and class back to there name. The car is beautiful. Performance aside the car is just really nicely finished and has the look and feel of a sports car again. So many of the big V8s a lacking that sort of feel to it. Holden did a great job here. Now if only V8s could get back that sound they were so famous for. |
| plane |
| latenight 7-10-2002 |
It a litel plane. I would give it **stars. it needs the side look of the new 2003 sallen coupe and a spolier |
| why??? |
| rb30 16-9-2002 |
why didn't holden create somthing special with the monaro? it was once a drivers dream and is now just a two door commodore. It was pulling similar times 30 years ago. This car is a General Motors Vehicle, It will be the Pontiac GTO, it will dissapoint alot of americans, it has dissapointed a lot of australians and holden will most likely dissapoint anyone who crosses its path. Im sure the HSV GTO and GTS Monaro will go alright but i wont buy a holden until they are pulling sub-5's and sub-14's. for 56k i could buy an imported evo vi makkinen. |
| Monaro is not good at all........... |
| VL_Turbo 8-9-2002 |
The monaro is the most overrated car i have ever seen! first of all it is way overpriced, i can buy a skyline gtr for less and destroy the monaro, the monaro does 0-100kph in mid 7's! thats pathetic for a car which costs $56,000 and is powered by a V8. my 1987 Holden Commodore VL Turbo does low 7's in stock trim! and with a few mods i'd destroy any monaro, i paid considerably less than 56,000 too! its a pathetic performing car which looks average and goes nowhere and is over-priced. its a two door commodore with below average performance. give me a GT-R, EVO Lancer, over it anyday, and of course my own VL Turbo! Monaro is a disgrace to Holden. |
| not bad shame about the price........ |
| waynew 5-8-2002 |
Lots of interesting ideas and a nice car overall however, like most Australian companies, it is overpriced for the average Australian family man who likes to own and drive high performance cars. Yes I have owned a monaro in the past and I have owned a HQ SS along with several other Holden vehicles and currently own 2 modified V*'s. |
| GM? |
| breistul100 4-8-2002 |
Will this do as the new Pontiac GTO for 2003??? Or should you have taken the consept from 1999.??? Just wonder? |
| Big Deal? |
| SkYlInE_gTr 25-7-2002 |
Get over it, its a common commadore with 2 less doors and the usual holden 8. |
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