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| huh? |
| bimdub 12-22-2006 |
"4WD is verboten in sportscar racing" yer kidding right? rally racing IS sports car racing! and for the record FWD is "verboten" in road racing! I cannot possibly make this any more clear than simply expressing that if FWD was the way then Formula One would be FWD. I will gladly take on any FWD in a roadcourse with a similarly prepared RWD. Simple math....SRT4 vs WRX....SRT4 wins....SRT4 vs EVO...EVO wins...SRT4 vs STI...STI wins at least in stock form, who cares how much money you can throw at it...you have to accept that there is a real world of difference in performance and sadly enough it matters nothing when you have to turbocharge an engine to get over 100 hp per liter. "340 hp on parts available over-the-counter from Mopar" Sure is a good thing that Honda has not jumped on the Torbo bandwagon...imagine the same boost levels in say...the K powered Civic SI? worse yet....S2000? "continue to SMOKE their competition (or lack thereof) on the road courses of the American East Coast" again...there is no competition because that class is a dead duck! the Turbo is there to make it keep up with naturally aspirated cars, like the Civic SI. "For pavement you just can't beat this car in terms of cost vs. performance "Sports Car Children, The little SRT-4 is selling big time I hear & has elevated its performance stats with more HP & a big low end torque value(250@2000), with a mere increase in the sticker." notice that Dodge dropped this car? "Seriously, if you're gonna buy a Real Sports Car for around $26-33K, then wait on Dodge's hot tamale in 05 called Charger, 5.7L Hemi, 350+ rear drive horses-heavy duty torque & all-yeah..., a GTO or Stang GT would suffice too." Are those really "sports" cars? I think they fall into the Modern Muscle Car catergory...more like marginal family cars with big engines...a "sports car" would be more like a Miata,S2000,Corvette,Viper ect. |
| testing continues, nothing but good |
| rocket rabbit 25-1-2004 |
Just an update on things here...We're now into our 4th, 5th & 6th SRT-4's, they currently run around 340 hp on parts available over-the-counter from Mopar, and continue to SMOKE their competition (or lack thereof) on the road courses of the American East Coast. Again, the success of our little Dodges attests to this car's value, and pure potential as a racer. As any club racer knows, 4WD is verboten in sportscar racing. You want to run rally? Then by all means get yourself an STi or an Evo. For pavement you just can't beat this car in terms of cost vs. performance. And, there are new goodies coming available from Mopar on a regular basis, so don't be surprised at anything with a Chrysler logo upon it. Why have we gone thru our first 3 cars? Not wear & tear, that's for sure. 2 were wrecked,(one, spectacularly, by myself during a test at Mosport...) one taken apart for research purposes. For their purpose, the SRT's are doing better than our wildest expectations, and, pending SCCA approval, should be the best thing to hit your local roadcourse since the original MGA. |
| SRT-4(Sports-Ride-Torquewrench) |
| markhp48g 8-10-2003 |
"Sports Car Children, The little SRT-4 is selling big time I hear & has elevated its performance stats with more HP & a big low end torque value(250@2000), with a mere increase in the sticker. WRX & EVO owners are now filled with justifiable anxiety over this meager ride since it can hang with their Fuji/Mutsu products for around 5-8 thousand less. If you want to purchase pretenders of the famed Rap crowd influenced Fast & Furious II, then go ahead by all means; I would use the extra cash on more viable pursuits: buying a Harley Sporster, chasing women, gettin another dog, etc. Seriously, if you're gonna buy a Real Sports Car for around $26-33K, then wait on Dodge's hot tamale in 05 called Charger, 5.7L Hemi, 350+ rear drive horses-heavy duty torque & all-yeah..., a GTO or Stang GT would suffice too. Hey, I had to mention those GM/Ford muscle car enthusiasts. Mark H-(man of intermittent knowledge)" |
| Imports |
| Phoenix 6-10-2003 |
I don't normaly get involved in discussions like this because you're outlook will always be relative when it comes to cars (design, function, worth, etc.), but I saw a couple posters say things like, Japs make 4-bangers because that is what they know, amercans make v-8s because of whatever... and I have to set the record straight. Asian import cars have 4 bangers because in most oriental countries you have to pay yearly taxes on your engine size, i.e. 4 cyl. - $500, 6 cyl. - $1500, 8 cyl. - $5000, and yes you are reading this right, the tax was passed to control pollution, it is also the reason why crotch-rockets (motorcycles) are so popular, there isn't a tax on them because of a loophole in the law, and since owning a 4 cyl. is cheaper the car companys starting producing them almost immediately, but the owners still wanted speed so they started developing new engines and modding to get every last pony, but at the same time we (US) don't have this tax so we kept putting out v6, v8 and laughing at the 4-bangers until the import/street racing explosion in the mid-90's, and when that explosion happened people wanted fast customizable vehicles for cheap, the same type the japs had been developing since the early 80's because of the tax, and that is why imports have been more reliable and more customizable for the last 5-10 yrs., but now the US markets are racing to catch up and making extremely good progress. Now I'm not saying domestic is better than import, or vice-versa, just don't be suprised in the next 5 years when they're pretty much even, and if you don't believed what I've said research it, and come back with fact, don't argue just to argue |
| FREAK SRT-4 |
| freak SRT-4 20-8-2003 |
all of you people who are hating on the srt-4 i got a little something to tell you! i just got a srt-4 not to long ago and i can say that about 80%-90% of the crap that is on the road will get smoked by my srt. if you got a v8 you better have nos or some serious shit to keep up with me. and i'm not talking about some crapstang w/ a 5.0, i mean ss cameros, trans am's & standard corvettes. i recentley put my srt on a dyno just to see what it had. now what im about to tell you might shock you as it did myself and everyone else i got 267fwhp. and that is bone stock, so im thinking mine is some kind of freak. but the truth is i can clearly whoop a ls-1's ass by at least 3-4 cars. and the same for those sorry ass evo's. i havent got the pleasure of killing a sti but i think it is b/c who wants to spend over 30k for a awd car with a shitty transmission. (fact about subes i got 3 friends that got regular wrx's-all crap) also stop w/ the constant non-original cut down that its a neon. so what watch my neon from the back and cry as i laugh in my neon in front of you! |
| Dont coment on things you havnt tried. |
| C U L8R 17-8-2003 |
"I Was looking into buying the SRT-4 for a while, I went to chat rooms and sites like this to read up. I an glad that I didnt pay much attention to the negativity that was beeing posted by Import lovers. By experience, I can trully say this car is what it is. Nothing more, nothing less. ATT to detail seems a bit off, as to say the plastic materials placed on the dash board and the doors need improving. When I shut the door I pull on the handle and it looks as if the whole paneling is going to come off, the back bumper and the front grill just suck, i can push in to the frame with my knee. The stereo could be better, ( I think my kids baby monitor is louder)and thoes seats, DAMMM Im really thinking about thoughing them to the curve. ( Cool for the first half Hr, after that your balls begain to lack blood) there are other places and parts of the car that could have been given a little more ATT as well but there just little things. The good things on the other hand do out weigh the bad. Is the car fast? Well for all the peeps out there that see this. 215 2.4-Liter, I4, 16-Valve, DOHC, SEFI High Output Engine, Front/Transverse Mounted With Horsepower Of 215@5400 and Torque Of 245@3200; Aluminum Alloy Block and Aluminum Alloy Heads. BUT understand this. BLAH 215HP BLAH BLAH BLAH TORQUE BLAHBLAH TURBO ALLOY SHOULDES OR SOMETHING. Well for you, YES ITS FAST. I dont care for the stereo, I had them loud growing up( besides I cruze with it off just to hear the exost) Bumpers, well i hope i never need them. LOL I can type for Hrs about this car but bottom line it rocks, and now that i have the Stage 1 Turbo Upgrade Kit that does wonders like increased WOT and part throttle boost. Improved Turbo Response Boost hold feature during WOT shifts. Enhanced 1st gear boost schedule for a higher performance launch. More aggressive exhaust (note) during deceleration"". Cali speed way. I hit 12.8 on the 1/4 mile@128 MPH.( Insane) P.S. Its Odd that peeps would say this car could probably keep up with WRX with a stage 3 Upgrade. I wasowning them with my SRT stock, 2 gray ones and a blue one. Im still looking for an evo to pare up with, any evo owners in southen cali pease reply." |
| comment on looks |
| Black_Sunshine 12-7-2003 |
I finally saw one of these up close yesterday. 2 of em actually. And say what u will about em. I like it. In person, it's much nicer looking. It is one mean looking neon people. A hell of a lot nicer than alot of the body kits I see from little punks who think they're badasses. The wing looks a little extravagent for my tastes but from what I've read it's a functional peice, so that makes up for it in my book. Besides... it's nicer than a lot of those after market wings I see around town on hopped up Civics, and Eclipses. Which are actually comparable cars to this thing, they're all fwd, 4cylinder, econocars for the most part. Now the looks may not be to ur taste. But looks are subjective, it's an eye of the beholder thing, so don't bitch about it. Besides... if u put a cars looks before it's performance... u don't deserve to drive the car. |
| thank God for madtones comment |
| supernatey13 10-7-2003 |
madtones, in short, THANK YOU! i got so tired of reading all of the bickering and nagging that so many people have posted on this car. i think your post was (hopefully) a smack in the face to people who will comment on this car in the future, in short, it was a much needed reality check. |
| Ugly Yellow Duckling |
| powerboker3000 9-7-2003 |
Funny thing that the Dodge SRT-4 has a Mitisu TD04 turbo under the hood. I love my domestics and my imports but I just can't seem to get by the quality issues that Dodge has been plauged with. The good old days are happening now, not back in the sixties. Flare the side wheel wells, get a limited slip up front(with traction control) and then they may have something. No doubt that this car will sell and sell well. I have to give Chrysler/Dodge/Daimler credit for the vision that we are currently seeing. I just love rivalries! More power to the people! |
| Up in Smoke |
| PowerBroker 8-7-2003 |
"Whats all the hoopla about this car. It is cheap yes and not just price. Dodge consistently makes sub standard products tageting young buyers to waste their hard earned dollars. The stats consitently show that asian automobiles rank far higher in quality. I have had a BMW, Nissan Z, Honda Civic, Mazdas, Ford Mustangs and Chevys. Each special in there own way with their own unique characteristics. Never would I own a Dodge. They simply bore me. The new SRT-4 would more than likely wake me up from the sub standard and unacceptable torque steer when I let the clutch off. Sure the numbers look fast. But one has to look at the complete ownership of the car over time not just up front. There is a saying ""You get what you pay for"". Its not even American now that the Krauts own it." |
| Up in Smoke |
| PowerBroker 8-7-2003 |
"Whats all the hoopla about this car. It is cheap yes and not just price. Dodge consistently makes sub standard products tageting young buyers to waste their hard earned dollars. The stats consitently show that asian automobiles rank far higher in quality. I have had a BMW, Nissan Z, Honda Civic, Mazdas, Ford Mustangs and Chevys. Each special in there own way with their own unique characteristics. Never would I own a Dodge. They simply bore me. The new SRT-4 would more than likely wake me up from the sub standard and unacceptable torque steer when I let the clutch off. Sure the numbers look fast. But one has to look at the complete ownership of the car over time not just up front. There is a saying ""You get what you pay for"". Its not even American now that the Krauts own it." |
| holy crap |
| Black_Sunshine 8-7-2003 |
I can't beleive turbo2 actually seems to know what he's talking about for a change. ANYWAYS. Yes it's legal. You see a muffler does jack for emissions, and I mean NOTHING. What it does do is make it run quieter. The CATs are what improve emissions. Now the reason mufflers were always stock, is because way back when... cars weren't nerely as refined as they are now, so mufflers were used for sound control. To spare the publics senses and prevent the deffening of drivers and passengers. But now, a little 2.4 liter 4 cylinder aint that loud to begin with... so mufflers are just kind of to ensure quiet operation. But in a car like the SRT-4... u want a little noise. And so long as you keep the CATs, it's all well and good. Sorry if I went over board on this post but maybe you it'll help you understand things more. |
| Madtones |
| turbo2 8-7-2003 |
"Thats right, the neons exhaust system does not use mufflers, hence the reason why they call it ""Muffler-Less"". What it uses instead is 2 resonators(one for each pipe) and a catalytic convertor for emmission purposes. Yes it is legal." |
| Another thing... |
| madtones 5-7-2003 |
In the description above, it says the exhaust is muffler-less. Could someone clarify this for me? At the risk of sounding ignorant, isn't this illegal, lol? I'm sure it isn't, of course, but I'd like to know what this type of exhaust is. |
| Geez, guys, be real |
| madtones 5-7-2003 |
"Alright guys, enough of this bickering. I agree with the previous post in that you need to stop just comparing stats (which vary from magazine to magazine, so no one will ever be ""right""), personal stories about friends who said Neons suck or broke down(I'm sure everyone has a story of a crap car they can come up with, proving no point. I'm also sure that Lancers and Imprezas have actually broken down in the past too, for God's sake), saying that an STi or Evolution will beat a Neon in the mud (please, we're not ALL rally drivers, though AWD is a plus), and all these other arbitrary arguments. First of all, though these 3 are all little hot rockets, you can't compare them directly. Compare the STi to the Evo, not both to the SRT. The price difference and the equipment levels are too different for a direct comparison. Just don't say the extra $9k are ""worth it"", because I can say the Viper is a better car than these and the extra $50k is ""worth it too. Then we can retort by saying a Murcielago can beat it, and its extra $70k is ""worth it"" too, and it goes on. Please guys. Also, don't make generalizations about ALL Neons, American cars, etc., being crap. That proves nothing. Also, one can't say the SRT looks ugly, because the STi and Lancer aren't exactly Enzo's in their own right. All three are kind of cheesy-looking modigied compacts, and taste is always going to be subjective. I personally think the SRT looks a lot cleaner than the other two, and none are really beautiful in my book. Last point: You can't say dumb things like ""Dodge should have made it a performance car from the start, like Sube and Mitsu did"" and that the Japanese ones are always better cars form the start. Last time I checked, the base Lancer (which WASN'T a performance car from the start) was a boring car, always being edged out by the Focus, Protege, and Civics. Also, before the WRX, Imprezas weren't selling too hot either, in fact I barely ever saw any Subarus in the streets. I'm quite sure they are reliable, good cars in their own rights, but one can never say ALL Subarus and Mitsus are better than ALL Neons. So just keep all the above in mind next time you post and be objective. I think the SRT is an awesome deal for less than $20k and, given the extra $8-10k, I'd also go for an STi or an Evolution, which can burn Corvettes. But you can't compare all three directly. And don't involve racial slurs and the military in your posts, please." |
| Nothing New |
| t2shelbyz 4-7-2003 |
"Dodge has been using this same forumla since 1985. Carroll Shelby of course helped him with the introduction of the GLHS (Goes Like Hell). Turbo charged 4 cylinder engines were used until 1993 when the most powerful 4 cylinder dodge had in production was in the Spirit R/T and the Dodge Daytona R/T. Horsepower was at 224 and torque was at around 250. I own a Daytona Shelby Z. Fun car. Costs 300 bucks. In a way Dodge pioneered the front-wheel drive sport compact car ""culture"" that has come about today. Unfortunately they began thier efforts in the 80's, and the actual ""culture"" finally peaked in the early 90's just when Dodge had to end production of all it's turbo charged cars. I, along with my other turbo dodge followers were extremely pleased to see the SRT-4 come into production. Thanks to a renewed vibe in the community we've seen easy gains of 500 lbs of torque from a head swap and a turbo swap on a 15 year old engine design. As a car guy, I welcome any affordable, sporty, and fun car any manufacturer has to offer. Unfortunately, Europe gets most of the fun cars...Focus R/S...turbo charged...anyway. If I had the money I would certainly buy an EVO (who wouldn't?), but if I just wanted solid performance and a great bang for the buck, the SRT-4 is the ticket. Like I said before Dodge did it before, and Dodge has done it again. Peace, -Ryan Dodge Daytona Shelby Z 1987 Turbo II Engine Talon BOV Modified Intake Stage 2 ECU 8 mm Magnecore wires No Muffler" |
| Just a Neon? I think not. |
| rocket rabbit 3-7-2003 |
My employer took delivery of 3 SRT-4's back in November, '02. Yes, BEFORE the public could get them. Since then, we've put over 20,000 miles each on them, slightly modified, on some of America's toughest roadracing circuits. The verdict? CONSISTANTLY outrun, outhandle, and outlast anything in their class, and many cars in higher classes (SCCA expects SRT-4 to be approved as a GT-4 class car). Just think, with a few underhood mods, like a $400 upgrade kit, plus a higher capacity rad, adjustable struts, rollbar & slicks, you have a sub-$25K roadracer that can smoke a factory 'Vette!! FOR HALF THE COST !! Amateur racers and pros alike will be fighting over the few examples of this little rocket that Dodge plans to turn out. I for one am glad to see an American-built car that can kick the snot out of a rice rocket (as well as Corvettes, Camaros, Firebirds & Mustangs) at a fraction the cost. If you have $19,995 knocking around, by all means, buy one. You'll feel good knowing you have the world's best performance value. |
| Get your facts right people! |
| The_Truth 3-7-2003 |
Dodge owns Mitsubishi? Wrong. DaimlerChrysler owns 37% of Mitsubishi Motors. And let's not forget Daimler's takeover of Chrysler. It was not a merger. For the money, the SRT-4 is an excellent value. If you spent $10k on Stage 2, 3 etc. it would be on par with the Evo and WRX Sti. Just compare the boost psi alone. It's a good car and they timed the market right. I still prefer my Evo. =) |
| hahah, silly Americans |
| MoMurda 2-7-2003 |
The onl cars worth buying domestic are v-8 trucks Suv, vipers, vettes, S7s....not a piece of poo that is the worst reliable running car in america, these kids think putting stage this and that probably do not take into consideration into how shiity neons realy are. Serously, why do u think japs build the 4-bangers, 'cause they freakin know how to, do you see japs companies mass producing v-8 f-body type cars, NO IDIOT. Because we know how to do it properly(The germans still are the best car makers right next to the swiss and italians.) I can put turbos on my protege, so what, you can supe up ANY car. These cars come with factory motors,etc, and can embarrass somer 5.slow drivers too. And don't even compare a neon to a M3 , you really must be smokin. Crack kills brain cells. But only the bad ones,right? |
| LOL |
| SRT-4 2-7-2003 |
"You rice-heads are hilarious. All this talk about how much worse the SRT-4 is compared to the EVO and STi but not once have I read a comment about how much better comparatively priced Jap-Crap is than the Dodge. No Nissan SE-R, or Civic SI, or Mazdaspeed. Thats because they aren't. By a long shot. I'd be willing to bet that Dodge could have built a $28,000 car that could take the EVO. I don't think that is what they wanted to do. It has been said time and again by ""experts"" that the SRT is the best value for the HP. The stage 1 upgrade costs $400 and adds 40 hp. I know, I have it. Along with other subtle changes. I have done enough to my SRT that I can take my friend's M3 in the quarter. I can't wait until I race an EVO." |
| everthing you coud ask for |
| jski 30-6-2003 |
Being a DCX engineer, i knew of the hype of this 4 dr pocket rocket. However, until i test drove it, i had no real idea. I bought it on the spot. I cant believe the people asking me about it on the raos, at stoplights, while were driving. I have had my share of sports cars ( 'stang 5.0, 300ZX etc) but this is one of the fastest little machines i have ever had. If you can handle the $5K ang over sticker they are asking, it's worth every cent. Now, its all about mopar getting the goodies out to boost this already might midget to the max. |
| New Owner |
| Carl Borrowman 29-6-2003 |
"I just bought the SRT-4 (flame red) this week after deliberating on a new car for a couple of years. This started with the RSX, then Type S, WRX, STi, Z, and finally, this month, the 4. The last five years I have driven a '98 Ford Escort SE sedan, which served it's purpose well and had no problems. I also drove my ex's Integra ('91 maybe), and my present wife's Stratus. I test drove both the Z and, this month, the 4. After years of having people telling me escorts are crap, I realized something: most people were basing their opinions on the older models, not the recent ones. I think the same is true with the neon. Also, I would not consider the 4 to be neon, even though it shares some similarities. Bottom line is, the selling factor was the price/performance ratio, while still a day to day driver with 22/30 mpg, let alone the 7yr/70,000mi drivetrain/bumper to bumper. Car and Driver: 0-60 / 5.6; 0-100 / 13.8; 1/4 mi/ 14.2 @ 102mph; max / 153mph; 215hp / 245ft/lb torque; I've also seen the 0-60 go as low as 5.4 and as high as 5.9, with the top speed going up to 156 and electronically limited to 148, with estimates up to 160. Personally, I've taken out a sup'ed civic, 'stang gt, and older camaro while rolling. Also, I've only taken the car up to 140 (I blew the civic away well before that). I do not consider myself a racer, but the power and potential this car provides may change that. IMHO, this car is the most fun and quality you can get for under $20,000. If you want more, spend another $4,000 on the stage 3 Mopar and have over 400hp and torque, while the dealer installs with a warranty that is still good. Another $2000-$3000 will cover an even better sound system and body/interior mods. So, all in all you could spend $24,000 for a car that will more than likely blow away or at least hang with the vaunted EVO VIII and/or Sti($28-$31,000), and $27,000 if you aren't exactly pleased with it's aesthetics. I'm glad that an American company can learn, grow, and cooperate with foreign companies to make a superior product, and I'm even more happy that I own it." |
| Customer & Sales Driven-Dodge SRT-4 |
| markhp48g 23-6-2003 |
"Funny thing about the controversial SRT-4 is that it is causing many supporters of higher priced Oriental vehicles to become quite shaken & stirred. Chrysler & I will not refer to it as Daimler, has bumped production of this little guy by a factor of at least 3 from the original 2500 over a 2-3 year period to around 7000 units per year. Sounds like a warm response to pent up demand if you ask me. This pocket rocket will only get better if planned upgrades are integrated year by year. I've also got a proposition I'll lay on the table for ALL POTENTIAL PURCHASERS in this class. Place all 3 new competitors-any color(Mitsu EVO, Sube STI & the Dodge SRT-4) in an open spot on the Wal-mart parking lot; state all the facts/figures & watch the reaction from the general public-the petite Mopar powerhouse will win their hearts. Do unto the Japanese as they have done others-beat em at their own game-it can be done in many ways-just ask Harley-Davidson. MLH" |
| Regarding savyj |
| turbo2 18-6-2003 |
Okay so there as bunch of picks on the SRT-4 in a Ralley event, so what's your point? Oh, your wrong when you said that the SRT-4 is not built on the Dodge Neon platform, it is! So maybe you should be the one doing the homework, since its obvious you know little about cars. I have test drove all 3 of those vehicles and i ended up ordering an EVO!! so yes spending the extra money was worth it. |
| What's with you guys? |
| UNVRWIN 13-6-2003 |
"Look, from what I can see there seems to be a whole lot of Import lovers who are clearly threatened by the SRT-4. Saying all this crap about it being domestic garbage and it will never hold it's own against the imports such as WRX, BMW M3, Evo's, Mazda's, Toyota's etc. When clearly it held it's own nicely vs. many of these in handling tests, acceleration, and braking. It took only 6 more feet to stop than the awesome BMW M3 (and also very close with the M5).Do any of you guys realize that Dodge owns Mitsubishi? and that Ford owns Mazda etc. etc. I don't care what company makes what, you guys should respect any car company that puts out a performance machine like the SRT-4. I think they did a great job. I have owned or shared a 97' Eagle Talon tsi AWD with decent boost, a 2000 toyota celica gts, a 1970 Monte Carlo SS, a 96 Grand Prix GTP, a 95' Firebird Formula (done right up) and a 91' Mustang GT (to the nuts with no power adder) and I must say all of them had their high points and low points. I have also driven a 1999 Acura Integra Type R, a 2002 RSX, 2003 Hyundai Tiburon V6-6speed, my buddys 02' WRX and another buddy's 2001 Mustang Cobra as for performance cars. The ones that stood out the most to me were the Mustang Cobra for balance and handling it was very smooth into the corners and had plenty of power stock I was impressed and I hated domestics. The boost never seemed to end with the Talon it handled decent but not nearly as tight as the Cobra was, the Tiburon looked really cool but it had NO POWER at all, not far off the Celica's lack of power. The Integra handled well and was quicker but it seemed to slow for my liking too. The 70' Monte Carlo handled like a brick thrown through the air, but it did have lots of torque, attitude and shred the tires at will... it also sounded pretty nice but NEVER a daily driver. The GTP had lots of boost stock I found it far quicker than the Celica, Tiburon, RSX and even the Integra R, but it looks like an older man's car 30+ (I'm 26yrs old not 30 yet!). The RSX looks and handles real nice and has a sweet interior, nicest I have ever seen for the money but again not nearly enough power. The Firebird is a little Cheezy and looks very 80's however they have awesome power decent braking and nice handling for a reasonable amount of money, their big problem is their incredibly crappy cheap interior. At least in 98' they got the LS1 which I have also driven and that motor stock has got to be one of the best made ever HUGE power stock... but alas, still quite cheezy still garbage interior. That's probably why they are now dead. The 91' Mustang GT is easy and cheap as hell to work on and goes like crazy, with Koni adjustables, springs, and 17's the car actually handles extremly well for a 5.0L and was fun to drive too. One time I was donig the slalom on a well know windey section of town and I was still pulling on him (of course I wasn't stock either)... it ate almost anything on the street back then, but it also is a little cheezy too. Still it should be recognised as easily having the widest and largest variety of aftermarket products out there today. Now the WRX was really nice I do like the engine and drivetrain very well made, can't say the same on interior, considering the price you would think the interior would rock. But stock vs. stock I think we all know that the SRT-4 would take out the WRX any day in 0-60mph, 0-100mph, 1/4 mile, braking and price comparison. Handling is even fairly close on those two even though the SRT-4 is only FWD. The WRX has a killer launch though with AWD....So saying one could spend $2000.00 on mods for a WRX and run 12's is fine, (which by the way I haven't seen here yet I know 1 guy with a WRX wagon and he's dropped tons of money in it and it runs 13.7's@98mph at 2300ft above sea level) but when you spend way way more money to begin with you could make the SRT-4 way faster for still way less money. By the way Dodge doesn't have to make anything for the SRT-4 anyway if you know what your doing it has TURBO TOO BABY! the most effective and responsive power adder money can buy. Basically what I'm trying to say is that in most cases, not all, but most, this new SRT-4 is WAY faster and handles just as well and probably stops better than most of the other high performance imports today and that kind of pisses me off to be honest, because I still prefer non-V8's to be Imports... so I could see why Import people are dogging it all the time because they are probably mad too. They spent a fortune on their eg: Civic, RSX, Integra, Celica, Tiburon, etc. etc. to get it to run high 14's let alone low 14's. Whereas other owners of WRX's my buddy included is pissed because this car will beat his stock and he paid way way more for it. Plus he can't do any mods because it's all under warranty. So he's pissed that all summer these things are going to wax him BONE STOCK (vs. stock) and he won't have enough of an edge to lose them in the corners...he can just hope for a better launch. I told him to go for the new WRXi that would solve the problem, again for even MORE MONEY though and then some kid in his SRT-4 will add a boost controller and probably equal or better him again for less money. So honestly I think everyone's pissed. I know I am...are you too? This thing is very impressive and having a name like Dodge market somthing aimed at Import buyers that beats most of them straight up, is a little scary for us Import lovers when they hit the streets. So what do we do we dog em"" I say respect them I have a new appreciation for those cars...I'm just waiting for my other favorates to catch up in performance AND cost like Toyota, Acura, and Hyundai to name a few. In closing, I am no longer baised to certain automakers he who puts out the best overall for the best money will get a portion of my paychecks. NO BS Later. UNVRWIN" |
| My Neon experiences |
| savyj 12-6-2003 |
"Simple and blunt...I love my Neon. I factory ordered my 1995 Sport and never looked back. It's been the funnest car by far that I've ever owned and/however I've only owned inexpensive cars. It's had a few problems but nothing I couldn't fix myself (ok, I can fix a bit more than the average joe but I figured that into the equation). When I bought it, I thought, well it's probably gonna break down a couple of times before I dump it but saving $3,000-4,000 right up front seemed a viable trade off when you figure in the fun factor. This brings me to the SRT-4. Test drove one....VERY VERY VERY impressed. Don't overlook the three factory hopups (phase 1, phase 2 and phase 3) that are soon to be available. I'm sure with the phase 3 it will compete well (read beat the pants off) the EVO and STis. Oh, and Turbo2, here are some pics of the Pro Rally SRT-4 that raced last year... http://www.neons.org/srt/webthumb/kremer/index.html make sure you do your homework before bashing something you know very little about and you won't look like you do. For example, it's not built on the regular Neon, the high performance transmission won't even fit in the standard 2003. It's a highly modified Neon THROUGH and THROUGH. There wouldn't be anything wrong with it even if it was ""Just another Neon"". The Neons have a very impressive racing history in Auto Cross, dominating their class as soon as they came out, putting down the former king, the Miata. My best advice to anyone...don't believe what you read...the magazines are highly biased and elitest. Go test drive the SRT-4, the EVO and the STi and decide if the differences in the foreign cars are really worth all the extra money. For some it will be...for some it won't." |
| Turbo 2 |
| DriveLikeStolen 11-6-2003 |
Turbo 2...dude, I am sure you know a lot about cars, but you should have never told us you are 39 becuase now we just imagine an old bald man who owns a Ford maverick sitting in his apartment on the computer in his underwear. Nice cars you made up though. Looks like you picked them out from the fast and the furious 1:16 scale catalog. I for one drive a G35, a WRX, and an Intrepid. Some of us have the ability to like a car not for where it is from but how well it is built, hahaha I will admit that the intrepid has given me the most probs....but it was in no way built to do 90 degree turns going 70....maybe I should take it easy. Like I said people, this car could have been made to look better and still have cost the same amount of money.....either they were lazy or crazy and though that looked cool. The car performs well, but will not out perform my regular WRX....which buy the way you can get a 2003 model for about 20k now that the new one is out....hahaha bad timing on dodges part. It will hit the straights better, but it will only cost me 2k to catch up...haha it only costs 4k from cobb tuning to run low 12's .....hmm will that ever happen for the srt-4.....highly doubt it....Mopar is cool.....I happen to have an uncle who is high up in the Mopar food chain, he can tell you that they are only good with vipers and trucks.....all other dodges are family cars no matter what they say....the SRT-4 is a step away from that but hey there is a guy running high eights in one....its only a molded appearance of the body that he is running but hey....it looks like one. I dont want to dog this car.....I think it is neat that dodge has a nice performing car so cheap...but I guarantee they will have a new body for it in less than 2 years...cause the ugliness alone has been a major scare for people thinking of buying one. Some guy pulled up to the movie theater in one last week and reved up....it sounded nice...but we all still laughed at him for buying that ugly ass car.....hey maybe he will prove to us it can look good buy december...if they even come out with body kits by then. |
| originalname |
| turbo2 10-6-2003 |
let's see, i beleive you where the one to call me a loser, right? I wouldn't have said anything about you if you wouldn't of made that comment towards me. This debate i was having was between me and Mr. Mark, until you had to jump in . You stuck your foot in your mouth on this one buddy. |
| sigh |
| originalname 9-6-2003 |
I find this pathetic discussion insulting to my intelligence and embarrassing for turbo2, whose use of language, insolence, and arrogance is ridiculous to the point that it is sad. I am done with this conversation, there is nothing that can be said on either side that turbo2 will not blow out of proportion, misunderstand, or generally fail to comprehend. ericsf, like the rest of us, was intelligently comparing two cars, without resorting to the idiotic slamming tactics you use, turbo2. don't bother trying to insult me, I am done reading your comments. |
| "regarding ""NIsmo"", srt-4me" |
| turbo2 9-6-2003 |
"First of all ""srt-4me what's there to be jealous about?NOTHING, that's what. Certainly not the SRT-4, if that's what you are refering to. It's still a neon. Second, as far as Nismo's comment about my age, i am 39. I have been studying and working on cars since I was 14. Yes 14 years old! I have more experiece reparing and tuning cars, than you will ever have. Now to answer your question my ""little juvenile delinquent"", regarding what vehicles I drive, here they are.1996 Toyota Supra twin turbo running 650hp,Mazda RX-7 with the R1 package running 475hp and I just ordered a Evo VIII. Anything else that you would like to know." |
| wannabie!! |
| Supercharged 9-6-2003 |
This discusion has turned into yank cars Vs Jap cars.....or should i say americans Vs those with a bit more common sense, i think most of the pro SRT-4 comments are made by those who are blindly patriotic and letting their nationlistic feelings dictate their better sense of judgement. Now their aint nothin wrong with being patriotic and lovin home grown cars, but dont diss miss the subaru and EVO!! The impreza and the EVO have proven their worth time and time again in rally championships and on track. Ever heard of the ole saying.....win on sunday sell on monday? when a car that is fast, powerful and a gem to handle in in its own right, wins a championship it creates a type of respect and admiration that cannnot be taken away by a wannabie like the SRT-4. The way i see it , the Jap cars are proven champions, the dodge is a wannabie, if it wants the same respect the impreza and EVO enjoy its gotta have racing and rallying victories , or else no one is gonna take it seriously (except americans ofcourse) |
| Hot cakes |
| mora5861 8-6-2003 |
Hello fellow motorheads. I have enjoyed each one of the comments on this car and will share mine. This offering has nothing to do with the WRX or the EVO....nor is intended to compete with them, it is an assembly of selected performance bits on an existing platform......the object ibeing to cash in on the trend setting in the land of the fruits and nuts....aka California regarding the rice burners. The new culture spends gobs of $$$$ on these rides starting with ~ 15K, Hondas, Mitsu and the like what better than the Neon Turbo at 20K to start. It is my humble oppinion that at that price they are ahead of the competition and will sell a ton of them.....you can do a lot with 10K on that platform. |
| The rest of the story.... |
| carmanken 8-6-2003 |
"I have read a lot of garble on this site about what the DODGE SRT-4 is and is not. A hugh percentage of it seams to come from people who have not owned or raced the car but who love to read about cars and then become self appointed critics. Oral Racers I call them. The fact is I paid $18995.00 ($1000.00 off the retail price) for a new SRT-4. I added a 3"" down pipe with race pipe replacing the cat and a manual boost controller for the giant sum of $308.00. The car runs consistent 13.6 quarter mile times and regularly blows the Acura, Honda, Mitsubishi, and Mustang boys in the weeds. No brag...just fact! Oh yes, I did also add BFG drag radials for another $300.00. I bought the car because Dodge was making a statment and backing it up with their wallet. GO FAST CHEAP... just like in the muscle car days. Since I am 57 years old those days were memorable. You will NEVER buy a new Japanese import car with 13 second 1/4 mile performance for under $20,000! Not today, not tomorrow, not ever! If money is no object..... buy whatever. If money is an object, you like straight line racing, and you are not a self imposed automotive critic that only loves import autos, then the SRT-4 WILL put a grin on your face and a big hurt on your import driving buddies." |
| sigh.... |
| Nismo 7-6-2003 |
"I feel compelled to write a comment... so turbo2 supposedly has over 25 years of hands on experience on cars yet still reads magazines for his info instead of learning from ""hands on experience"" and has the grammer and vocabulary of a junior high delinquent! so wut, this would make turbo2 approximately 40?! im sorry but thats total horsesh*t... this is a disgruntled 14 year old kid who watched ""the fast and furious"" before writing his comments... mind you thats a good movie! me? I'm a 22yr old living in the united arab emirates where the import scene is still young, but booming. i try to get as much hands on time as i can and im always trying to learn. I've got an R33 running just under 450hp (it helps to be a spoilt nephew, even at 22!!) 2 friends one with an evo 5 running about 420hp @ the wheel and another with the new SRT-4 running about 270hp @ the wheel. for whatever my word is worth having driven both, id have to say they're two completely different cars. the fact that they both have four doors and are turbo'ed doesnt mean squat. the evo is a monster on the loose whereas the SRT-4, taking into cosideration its level of tuning, is more of a quick runabout... just wanted to give something to the discussion. btw turbo2, would do YOU drive?" |
| Another Response to Turbo2 |
| srt-4me 7-6-2003 |
Plain and simple, you're an idiot....I sense jealousy in your comments. I own an SRT-4 and have lot's of fun with the car and oh by the way, I don't have to pay another 100 dollars or more a month in my car payment. Man, just that 100 dollars for only one month could go for mods. It only gets better each and every month afterwards. |
| end of discussion |
| Bad-Ass-Benz 6-6-2003 |
this guy mark48... has it wrong. no doubt the srt4 is a great car for the money and no other 20k car can beat it in straight-line performance. although it's uglier than a stock neon, with it's tall rear suspension and bad boy fascia, and the build quality is cheap, as americans are used to. but there's no comparison between the srt4 and an Evo or Impreza Sti. the two japs are more powerfull, faster (sub 5 second 0-60 times against the dodge's 5.6), better handling with all wheel drive and have better looks. ok, they cost more than 20k, cause they are worth it. and if money is an issue, for 20k i can get some used cars that would leave the srt4 far behind, like a 305 bhp Mustang Cobra, V8 Firebirds with 300-plus horses and so on. the point is: THE SRT4 IS NO BETTER CAR THAN AN EVO OR AN IMPREZA!!!!!! i give a f**k if it costs 20k, it should, cause it has the build quality of the typical american econobox, and it's still a neon. END OF DISCUSSION. |
| Ericsf-My support for the SRT-4 has purpose-Patriotism & Com |
| markhp48g 5-6-2003 |
"Eric, I'll keep this one brief; my endorsement of the SRT serves some relevant causes; to make those aware of viable market alternatives in the pocket rocket category who refuse to see otherwise, & to promote a domestic product, albeit manufactured with components from several domains. If we don't emphatically promote the goods designed & produced in this country, then we loose the spirit, nationalism & subsequent employment this loyalty entails. I am not close minded when it comes to vehicles from the Orient; I've owned a few, but I will not succumb to their aura of superiority. I welcome the competition from abroad & the dissension my comments have generated. An idiot or fool is one that looses domestic allegiance & proclaims others to be a short sighted pretender-which I'm not. Check yourself William Tell, & beam me up Scottie-MLH" |
| Good Thing We Are All Car Experts |
| DriveLikeStolen 3-6-2003 |
I must say that this Vehicle is quite ugly in appearance, while I do agree that this car will out perform any other in its price range, I believe that they could have spent more time at the drawing board. This car however shows potential due to the present rise in the quantity of companies making body enhancements. I find it sad that a man will look at a car in its value for where it is built, but I do believe that it is good that people buy domestic to keep the economy up. It is also agreed that it is funny most people look at a domestic as all-american when it is built with foreign parts also....just the same way around with imports, america supplies a great deal of the materials they need. An added note is that todays racing scene is more style than speed, a honda owner will buy a body kit before he even thinks twice about a turno or new pulleys.....well lots of them will buy an exhaust tip first cause it is cheap. Anyways I like the car...but hopefully some companies will put out some style enhancements for it. I think I will get the Acura TSX (Domestic made foreign owned.....I guess I can get the best of both worlds) While it only boasts 200 HP, it is nice in style and sure to attract many companies for aftermarket parts. It to has an inline 4 cyl....just not turno at the moment. |
| ericsf |
| Black_Sunshine 2-6-2003 |
I think you misunderstood the posting from markhp48g. I seriously doubt he was slamming Japanese technology and products. To me it seems like he was simply pointing out several opinions and facts that are infact negative about several Japanese autos. Japanese cars are infact engineered for a limited life, but with extremely high quality through out that life, to ensure repeat buisness. He is simply responding to the blind loyalty of turbo2 to the Japanese automakers. He's not claiming the yanks are the best out there and that the oriental offerings are complete crap. He's just pointing out that the Jap's have there down sides too, and that this is an encreadably competative offering from an american company. That's all. |
| this is to all the srt-4 haters |
| cheeseman421 1-6-2003 |
this message is going out to all the people talking s**t about the srt-4. First of all stop criticizing the srt-4 because it's a neon, there is no where on the car where it says neon, so stop calling it one. Second of all stop comparing the srt-4 to those junk japanse cars. The wrx and lancer evo might be a little faster and thats because they are 4wd and will end up costing you almost 10 grand more. I would buy an srt-4 over a wrx or lancer evo anyday becasue it is american built, it is cheaper, and it will still keep up with or even beat them. I think it would make more sense to compare the srt-4 to a little civic rice burner because they are both fwd and are around the same price eventhough the srt-4 would KILL those civics without even trying. I also think that you should go out and buy which ever car you like and fits you and dont worry about what other people say. Remember the car is only as good as the driver. |
| Atten: To all the mindless followers of Mr. Mark |
| turbo2 1-6-2003 |
"Black_Sunshine, originalname, yeah how ""original"" is that one. You guys crack me up! It seems that the only people who are ""foolish"" and ""losers"" are you guys. So like I told your ""idiot"" of a leader Mr. Mark, clean the shit out of your ears and your brain and listen to someone, besides myself, who actually knows what he is talking about. That someone is ericsf. So why don't you guys stop pretending like you know everything and learn!!!!!" |
| Thank you ericsf!!! |
| turbo2 31-5-2003 |
Hey eric, its good to see someone besides myself, see's what an idiot Mr.markhp48g is. It seems that he is the one who is really insecure of himself. Not only that but he is very ignorant. He doesn't seem to realize that without the fantastic japanese or european technology, there wouldn't be an SRT-4. So Mr. Mark, why don't you clean out the shit from your ears and your brain and listen to ericsf,it might do you some good. |
| Regarding: Mr. markhp48g, Mech. Engineer |
| ericsf 31-5-2003 |
"I am amused to see the the steadfast loyalty, expressed by Mr. markhp48g, to the Dodge Neon SRT-4, not simply because he finds it a very good automobile, for $20K, but more conspicuously because it is American. I would wager that if this very same car wore a Mitsubishi or a Honda badge, our Mr. markhp48g would scoff at its hideousness. I am not here to say that the Neon SRT-4 is a bad car; it isn�t, irrespective of its country of origin. Conversely, I also cannot say that the WRX and other �competitors� mentioned in previous entries are bad cars� they aren�t. Each of these automobiles has its own set of highlights and compromises. The fact is not lost on most readers that these cars are not realistically in the same category� price is an important factor. And, very impressively, this works in the Neon�s favor. However� There are a multitude of expectations and demands consumers place on a vehicle� to some, the superior traction and balance afforded by an all wheel drive system is more than just a frivolity. To these consumers, torque steer and wheelspin are unacceptable. To others, wheelspin may be the car�s raison de d�etre, and the compromise of added weight, cost, and complexity of additional drivetrain hardware an extravagance. The same can be said for interior materials quality, passive crash safety, steering feel, handling dynamics, interior noise levels, fuel economy, mechanical refinement, et cetera. There are empirical reasons to choose cars, and there are subjective ones. Illogically, Mr. markhp48g�s berating of ALL Asian cars seems to be based solely on his personal ideological vagaries, rather than on careful, intelligent dissection of all factors. These ideologies have manifest themselves into behavioral traits, Mr. markhp48g, that will not serve you well as you make your way through life. Many a great automotive experience will evade you due to the ignorant shell you have secreted around your head. This marks you not as an automobile enthusiast, rather an all-things-American closed-minded freak. Now for the interesting bit, Mr. markhp48g, Mech. Engineer: Pray tell, how much do you love the �oriental� Mitsubishi turbocharger that adds such sparkling performance to your SRT-4�s engine? Perhaps nearly as much as the �white rice� Tokico struts that serve to underpin the Neon�s unibody. Come to think of it, is the Sachs clutch American enough for you? The Valeo intercooler? The Michelin tires? The Asian electronics components? Why, Mr. markhp48g,� Mech. Engineer, dig a little deeper under the surface of just about any car in the world, and you will find fantastic technology developed and produced in Europe, the Americas, and gosh darn-it, even in backwards �ole Japan. Real automobile enthusiasts realize this fact. You are just an idiot. One more interesting thought� would this car exist at all without fierce import competition? Enjoy. Eric, Transportation Design student, San Francisco And by the way, Mr. markhp48g, go easy on those not as polished as you in your �King�s English.� Or, at least, try and write your entries in Word, or some other program with spelling and grammar checking tools� your hypocrisy tends to make you look the fool." |
| turbo2 |
| Black_Sunshine 27-5-2003 |
"I don't need to know who you are. Your postings proove my opinions correct in the fool department. I just love how you back up all your arguments with capitals and exclamation points, very convincing. Your comparing 30 thousand dollar AWD cars to a 20 grand FWD... try again man. So the American's came late to the tuner party, I beleive that's often called making an enterance; the SRT-4 does just that." |
| this is true |
| originalname 27-5-2003 |
thank you coolblue, though your comments may have fallen on deaf ears. i'm sure turbo2 will spew and foam about the fact that the neon IS tuneable, but he will still manage to say absolutely nothing. anyways, his insulting, pointless comments can still amuse us but the fact is there is really no argument. how unfortuneate. i wish someone with something to say could explain to me why to buy an evo or sti, because i am sure there are good reasons, but alas, this pathetic argument cannot be fought by our current adversary. i appreciate the info tho. |
| The Ultimatum on the SRT-4 & Foul Language |
| markhp48g 27-5-2003 |
"The little demon of an econobox, the SRT-4 has certainly caused a stir in the pocket rocket category & is delivering on every front: good looks, good room, good build quality, great price, super performance & exemplary fun factor. Its mission has been thoroughly fulfilled as a real alternative to the Reptilean Personification so prevalent in the Japanese mode of design. Now for some unput from a writer, engineer & former co-worker of the Oriental producers; the use of juvenile offensive language serves no purpose but to prove ones' own insecurity & ignorance regarding an open forum of this type. Some claim, namely childish infatuated individuals like 'turbo2', that Oriental manufacturers are insurmountable compared to their Yankee competition. Case in point; a Corvette, any true Jeep, or Harley motorcycle are some of the most sought after/well engineered & recognized names in the World, similar to Coca-Cola. Count the number of Asian vehicles on the road that over 15 years old-not many are there?; they are designed under a limited life umbrella & to earn your repeat income many times over. So if you want to bash American goods, then take yourself elsewhere to reveal your idiocy(TURBO2); those of your basement level abound. Now that the smiley, well engineered little Dodge is getting its act together & continuing to evolve as a viable choice to the bland sea of Japanese cookie cutters, lets hope that Daimler-Chrysler does not base the next gen on a vanilla flavored Mitsu/Hyundai platform in ~06 as I understand is the case. If you want to see it remain as the Real Yankee alternative to white rice, then voice your comments to the decision makers at DCX-I have. MLH-the ultimatum" |
| changing opinions... |
| coolbluelb 27-5-2003 |
Six months ago, I would never have considered buying domestic. Having said this, I must now say that I have been following the SRT4 very closely and may change my position in the near future. The reasons you ask? First, having read through numerous forums with comments by actual owners, it is difficult to find any real problems people are having with the car. This is remarkable considering it is the 1st production year and everyone who owns one is beating the hell out of the car. Second, I agree the comparisons to the Evo and STi are ill-conceived. While performance numbers may be similar, the $10k price difference places the SRT4 in a different category from these autos. Having said this, please note that Dodge is offering staged upgrades to the SRT4. Stage 3 output is 300 hp and 300 ft/lb torque. These numbers, mind you, are at the wheels, not the crankshaft. They are further covered under the factory warranty. Prices are not available as of my writing this note, but I would wager even the stage 3 upgrade is well under the $10k difference between an SRT4 and a STi/Evo. Third, and final thought for now, the only change slated for the '04 SRT4 is the addition of a LSD (limited slip differential). While I would not attempt to convince anyone that this will make up for the differences between a front-wheel and all-wheel drive vehicle, it will still add to the already impressive (given price) handling and traction of the SRT4. I hate to sound like a walking advertisment for the car, but it seems to be pretty impressive what Dodge has done here. Of course, one could wait a couple of years. Rumor has it that the Neon will be phased out '05-ish, to be replaced by a Dodge version of the Mitsu Lancer platform. SRT4 engine and Evo handling, hmmmmm.... |
| ...? |
| snugglebunny929 26-5-2003 |
turbo2 i think you need to check your facts one more time. yeah, some places say bad things about this car, but i've found that to be very rare. i've been looking at this car for a long time, because like you i was sceptical because it stems from a neon. but then i drove one and all my questions were answered. this car is without a doubt everything i want in a car. fast off the line, and awsome when it comes to manuvering abilities. who cares if other cars have higher top speeds? i don't think i'm going to be going past 150 anyway... |
| Black_Sunshine doesnt know shit |
| turbo2 24-5-2003 |
You obviously don't know who I am or how much experience I have with cars, so don't talk shit!!!! AS far as your personal ovservation, it doesn't mean shit. It's just ONE observation. It seems that your just a wanna be tuner.The Evo will trash your pathetic little piece of junk Neon ANYDAY!!! American will never build cars as well as the Japanese. NEVER!!!!! Time after time it has been proven that Japanese build cars better than the Americans. |
| hmmmm |
| originalname 22-5-2003 |
While childish, this is an interesting debate. Basically americans are doing something that the japanese have done for a long time: build a car that can compete, if not necessarily win, with cars that cost a lot more than it. the fact that die-hard japanese car fans (sometimes nick-named ricers) are getting outraged by the fact that the americans have finally managed to create something worthy in terms of an econorocket shows that the SRT-4 IS competing with these cars and has the edge where it matters: an engine able to be tuned and a price tag that will allow for tuning. I think it is hilarious that someone like turbo2 can get so worked up defending an evo or STi. For me, this dogde is not really in the same class as AWD rally cars. The foreign entries this neon IS competing with are cars like the acura rsx type s, the mini-cooper s, honda civic si, and the golf gti. Those cars are all fwd and start around 20,000 (US). In fact, the neon costs less than all of them, has more potential, and destroys them in handling and speed (well maybe not the cooper in handling). The fact that a hard-core j-spec fanatic could even get worked up about the srt-4 proves that it has done its job. then again, maybe turbo2 is just a loser who likes to run off at the mouth but doesn't really drive, tune, or push cars to the edge. there, i have said my piece. congrats to america for creating good, cheap, competition. |
| turbo2 ur foolish |
| Black_Sunshine 22-5-2003 |
Try comparing it to other front drive $20,000 sedans. And no... build quality aint what it's all about. It's about fun man. Plain a simple. The most fun the least money, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT!!! Something breaks, I can fix it for not too much. Wanna make a crappy car go faster? That's more work & more money (I aint got much of that). Your Evo's got AWD. 271hp & costs aprox. 30g's... get it out of the comparison. The start WRX you can compare. But the Neon out performs it... and comes with a better warrentee. =P As to address your opinion of how Neons last I offer you this personal observation. Me and my freind will rag the shit out of anything we can get behind the wheal of, just about. We will abuse them in ways never intended. Now a Honda will last a long ass time if you treat it right and don't abuse it, longer than the Neon, easy. But the second u start to abuse that thing it falls apart... which is why we're about to scrap most of my friends honda and just rebuild it all. A Neon on the other hand will last just as long with the abuse as with out. That Neon's taken 3 time's the abuse as the Civic and it's going strong. For christs sage he uses it like a truck working construction. So shut about that crap man, Neons take the abuse the others can't, might not last as long compared to a well treated Honde, Subie, or Mitsu... specially in terms of enterior feal quality and road noise and minor crap like that. But it'll take twice the abuse as those 3 and keep on going. Not that any of it matters man. Cause like I said when I started this. When your buying one of these cars. Performance is all that counts. |
| "SRT-4, ""Bang for the buck"", thats all it is!!!!" |
| turbo2 22-5-2003 |
"It seems that you guys can't think beyond the SRT-4 and it's performance. Yeah it has performance, but THATS IT!!!!! There is more to buying a car than 0-60, 0-100 and 1/4 mile times. Its about build quality,design, durability...etc. Those are the things you find in the EVO and the WRX. So you guys can rant and rave about the SRT-4 all day till you are blue in the face. FACE IT, IT'S STILL A NEON. Andyes,the SRT-4 is fairgame when comparing to the EVO and the STI. You have to look at the power to weight ratio, and also the fact that all wheel drive vehicle like the EVO,WRX or STI suffer from more drive train loss. You ""MR. ENGINEER"" should know this!!!! SO IT'S FAIR GAME." |
| turbo2 |
| Black_Sunshine 19-5-2003 |
"Your camparison is retarted. Of couse the EVO is ganna win. It's got AWD and 271 ponies. But it's also got a price tag some 10grand north of this thing. Your comparing 2 cars of very differant entensions. And FYI, the SRT-4 is the only car R&T has ever tested that will top 100mph in the 1/4 mile for under $20,000. Yeah your evo wins, and yeah I'd love one. But it's still about $30k. And the SRT-4 will beat a WRX to 60 and I think in the quarter, unless you've got the $30,000 STi. Dude... just admit it. This is the best bang for buck deal outthere. No one, NO ONE, is offering this much performance, fun, and grins at a competative price. America's one uped the forgeihn cometition for less money; deal with it." |
| SRT-4 for $20K-OK, WRX/EVO for $30K-No Way |
| markhp48g 19-5-2003 |
At least some decerning individuals, besides myself, see a real sleeper in the Hot Neon SRT-4 & will tell the in depth truth of the teething problems of past models & the substantial improvements since-that's called using your intelligence & being objective. While on the other side of the coin, when others engage their primitive ineptitude, the Nation as the saying goes is weakened by greater margins. If saving $10K on a 'pathetic SRT-4' only costs you .6 secs to 60 mph compared to the $30K EVO/WRX then I would gladly accept being a dismal driver of the little Dodge. Thank God, there are some clever impartial souls among us, but then again there are those Neanderthals, eg. 'turbo2' who refuse to see beyond the wheels of the Rising Sun-MLH-(your answer man) |
| In response to turbo2......... |
| GreyFox2002 19-5-2003 |
"Neons suck, eh? Thats funny, considering the fastest FWD unibody car in the world is a Neon. There are all-motor Neons that run faster times than any Honda, Acura, etc. As for Neon build quality, well, it gets the job done. I own a 2k2 plane jane Neon. Basic transportation. I can't really see how any Civic can be any better. Their all econo-boxes. But the Neon is a nice car, for the money. The ride is decent, it handles great, stops on a dime, very cozy seats, tons of interior room and larger trunk space than the Civic offers, nice sound system, and IMHO, the best looking economy car you can get. It also has a boat load of options. I've owned the car since August 2002. I have put 8100 miles on the car since than, and I have absolutely 0 complaints. Nadda. There is the occasional rattle. Yet why should I care. It's a $15,000 car whose dash is made of cheap plastic. What else do you expect? But the car has been 100% reliable. Plus the noise level ain't too bad for an inexpensive car. And I may floor you but my first car before my 2k2 was, you guessed it, a 1995 Neon. It was the first model year for the Neons, and yes, it was junk. The original Neons were junk, specifically the 95-97 model years. Their headgaskets blew. Their 3 speed trannies sucked. The interior was very low rate; quality was terrible. The windows were frame less. But the car was a blast to drive. You could beat the hell out of them. They were quick cars, even the autos and SOHCs. The stopped on a dime, turned on a dime. But they were junk.. Dodge has improved the Neon every year, and by the end of the 1st generation's run, the Neon was a very good economy car, and much better than the Cavalier or Escort. Than came the 2nd gen. Lemme say this, the 2nd gen is worlds ahead of the 1st generation in quality. Literally every single aspect of the vehicle is 10 times better than the first car. I was considering a Stratus as my next car, but I test drove the 2k2 Neon, and I figured why spend the extra 6k when all I need was basic transportation? As a matter of fact JD Powers rates the Neon in the top-third echelon out of all cars, and as a matter of fact, it is rated nearly as high as the Civic, and way ahead of any VW, etc. Yeah, of course Lexus and Toyota will probably build an overall better car than the Neon. But comeon, you pay more for that. And by no means is the current Neon a piece of shit. It is a well-made car, and is perfectly suitable for its purposes. On a final note, 80% of Neon owners say they would consider owning another Neon. As for the SRT-4, I'm sure it will do fine. The 2.4L turbo engine has been used in the Mexican-sold version of the Stratus R/T since 95. The engine has been improved for the past 8 years. It now features beefy internals, and it even has oil squirters to help keep the pistons cool. The FMIC is enormous. Frankly, I think any 2.4 L 4 cylinder that puts 223 horsepower to the wheels (thats like 265 crank horsepower, and that WHP number is officially tested by Sport Compact Car magazine) is a well made engine. As for the tranny, the SRT-4 features a New Venture Gear T850 heavy duty transaxle. From everything I hear about this transmission, it is capable of handling much more power and torque than the current motor puts out. Thats saying a lot more than the WRX, which I hear goes through clutches like water. As for the EVO vs. WRX vs. SRT-4 contest, well, check on several web forums and you'll find plenty of videos of the SRT-4 beating a WRX from a roll, with the WRX usually taking the SRT-4 off the line but losing out for drive train loss. Of course the EVO will beat the SRT-4, it puts out more overall horsepower. Yet the car costs significantly more. And its not that far ahead. In the end, the better drive will probably win. And there are people throwing turbo timers on SRTs and running mid-13s. As for handling, its true the WRX and EVO will handle a rally track better. But whose to say the SRT-4 can't handle? I hear a SRT-4 is holding very well in SCCA, and has even won several races. The car still handles very well. Be openminded about the car. You should be excited to see an American manufacture trying to compete against the Japanese. Not dismayed. Oh the precious Japanese and their precious VTEC. :P" |
| A real test |
| mayhem6778 12-5-2003 |
Take all three, the SRT4, WRX, & EVO, to a dirt/mud track and see which performs better. I think the all-wheel-drive cars will simply leave the SRT in the dust. |
| Mark your wrong again! |
| turbo2 11-5-2003 |
Hey Mark, did you check out the newest issue of Road and Track? Well let me give you the scoop on your pathetic little Neon. It got SMOKED 0-60, 0-100 and the 1/4 mile by the Evo and the Sti.HA! HA! Let me give you the figures. Figures from June issue of Road and Track: SRT-4 Evo Sti 0-60 5.6 4.8 4.9 0-100 13.9 12.7 12.6 1/4 Mile [email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Now that I proved you WRONG for the second time, I AM DONE WITH YOU! This debate is over, and you lost!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| The SRT-4 is $20k? |
| Gojurick 8-5-2003 |
Well, my wife just won a silver SRT-4 in the Ride Me, Drive Me, Win Me sweepstakes. Check out the layout their putting together for Blender Magazine, July issue. She'll be the blond screaming in my ear on her cell phone next to the yellow SRT-4. Once it's delivered, I'll take it out, smoke a few ricers and then comment further. Remember, the car is only part of it, if you can't drive, it isn't worth s**t!!! And since it didn't cost me a dime, I'd say the mods I make to bring my costs up to $15k or so will pretty much take care of all this WRX, 350Z, Evo whatever talk. Behave children or daddy will take your play toys away. |
| The only retard here is Mark! |
| turbo2 6-5-2003 |
"Hey Mark, did you check out the May issue of Sports Car International? The did a full test on the Evo and yes it did do 0-60 in 5 seconds Mr. Anal Retentative. Not only that but Autoweek Magazine tested the STI and yes I was correct again it did 0-60 in 4.75 seconds. SO the only one who is wrong is YOU! Oh by the way Mark; SAKE SLEDS RULE!!!!!!" |
| "Check Automobile Mag; SRT-4 is TOP DOG for $20K" |
| markhp48g 2-5-2003 |
"Sake sled fans, Why don't you check out the latest Automobile Mag review for sport compacts, in particular the powertrain comments made about that of the SRT compared to the WRX. Turbo lag was absent in the 2.4; power was even more seamless than that of the overpriced Sube & its 0-60 & 1/4 mile times were well within the mfg's claims as opposed to Subaru's/Mitsu's inflated numbers. The WRX/EVO WILL NOT RUN A STOCK SUB 5 SEC 0-60 as is proclaimed by their makers, along with retards like turbo2 & similar juvenile fans of Godzilla go-carts. You've got $30K to burn on an Oriental RC toy, then feel free to do so-kids. MLH" |
| More Grin & Giggles for the money |
| Gargoile 2-5-2003 |
"One thing is for sure, this car makes everyone that rides in it, giggle. The looks are deceiving with this SRT-4. People not in the know say what a nice little car. But that changes when they sit in and try to hang on to whatever that can grab. One thing that's missing is an "" Oh &^$#"" bar on the passenger side. When you open this puppy up all they can do is giggle, and then it is followed by a grin that doesn't leave for a few hours. Sure there are other cars out there that could spank its butt, but for the money and power for what you get is why I bought this car. I'm not out there to go on search and kill runs with every car out there. Just the ones that pull up along side and think this car is all show and no go... Then they understand that this car does have a good bite. The SRT-4 will be hot for a while, and sure enough there will be others out there later that will do the same SRT-4 as the SRT-4 did to them. What comes around goes around. And right now its Dodge's turn. PVO "" your either with us or behind us""" |
| "Mister ""Anal Retentive"" strikes again" |
| turbo2 28-4-2003 |
"First of all as far as my user name being creative, who cares. It wasn't meant to be creative. Your name markhp48g isn't creative at all. For your information I am proud to be living in this country. Second of all why are you talking about how great our miltitary hardware is. This is a forum about cars, not the military! Now as far as American automobile makers are concerned and there strives for innovation and quality; I dont see it,except for maybe Daimler Chrysler. Ford's quality went down the shitter! The point still remains Mark that the Japanese automobile makers are still way ahead of us in innovation and build quality. Thats one of the reasons why the EVO and the WRS STI cost more. I don't know where you get your figures from Mark, but the Evo and the STi are a lot faster in both the 0-60 and 0-100 times. The evo will do 0-60 in 5.2 seconds and the Sti in 4.7.Those figures come from very credible and reliable sources!!!!! You see Mark these vehicles are built from the ground up. They don't take a car like the Srt-4 and just modify it. The SRT-4 comes to PVO as a regular neon. Then PVO takes it and modifys it. They should have built this car from the ground up, if they where smart. Yes they would have spent more money, but who cares. It would have come out a better car!!!. As far as making spelling mistakes, WHO CARES. God quit being so anal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" |
| marketing milestone |
| kennyknoxville 25-4-2003 |
first of all, dodge gets a big thumbs up for this long overdue hot rod. secondly, to all you people who are way too quick to defend cars like the WRX and EVO, or too quick to start assuming the SRT will trounce on the two, you guys need help. i recently bought an Acura RSX type S - a car that has been compared to the SRT by a lot of people. and in the buying process i seriously was considering shelling out this car that literally came out of nowhere as far as a lot of people were concerned. i test drove both cars and theyre totally different, but this thing definatly moves. as of now im glad i bought the acura, but there are times i miss the torque that the srt offers. power on demand. oh, by the way, you never know how reliable a car is until its been out for a couple years. who knows, maybe dodge beefed that factor along with everything else. if youre a car nut - screw where the damn thing was made in. get the car you fall in love with and fits your budget. thats truly being american. |
| Viewer Discretion Advised-US engineered SRT-4 |
| markhp48g 24-4-2003 |
Turbo2 & others of similar ilk, If you want to comment about a vehicle or any other matter you know very little about, then I suggest you stick with a subject more in line with your primitive aptitude-Hot Wheels cars for example. For those who think that all American cars are junk, then you have no respect for the security that the Best military & related transportation hardware in the World provides. Sure, US vehicles on the whole tend to have more problems, but GM, Ford & Chryco have & will make continuous strides in innovation & quality. Each possess certain models which are underrated standouts in their respective markets, & one of those unrecognized jewels is the 03 version of the Neon, particularly the Godzilla-rice-stomping SRT-4. So be appreciative that you have a choice, albeit some overpriced ones with the EVO/WRX, & while you're at, if you unfortunately drive a Sube WRX STI, replace that tacky Auto Zone add-on tach & LEARN TO SPELL. MLH |
| Attn: The Mitsu Rap Crowd-try to read the SRT-4 tag |
| markhp48g 23-4-2003 |
"Turbo2 & similar, Your use of offensive language in defense of your little Oriental running mates is indicative of the those indigents who have little or no respect for the rights we have in the USA. If you consider all American vehicles as junk, then I suggest you not use public transportation that was designed & built in this country, which would result in you having a hard time moving about; namely by air to another country, where those of your subpar intelligence belong. Also, if it were not for US creativity & firepower, there would be no Japanese auto industry as you see it today, and you would not have the options of the vicious Neon SRT-4 & your little SAKE SLEDS. I sat in a WRX STI yesterday that listed for $28K-tacky plastic & all(oh, it did have a Momo steering wheel though), and the final word on a head to head comparison with the little Dodge & the EVO/WRX is; you'll get burned to 60, 100 & beyond, but heh your not skilled at any thing above the double nickel, considering your awesome creative name. Go play-MLH" |
| "Let me make a correction, Mark... a.k.a ""Mister know it al |
| turbo2 23-4-2003 |
The Evo and the Sti are proven both on and off the track, as well as in rallys, the Neon is not. |
| Hello, I'm a newbie here |
| QuickCars_r_GR8 23-4-2003 |
My name is Jack (43yo) and I live in Dayton Ohio. I can't wait to test drive a SRT-4 from the local dealer here. I've mostly owned Ford products (grew up on American V-8 muscle power) even though I have no allegence to any brand. For the last few decades V-8 power meant either the Mustang GT or the GM F-Body. I've always chose the GT (faster, lighter and cheaper) until the LS1 came out. That is one sweet motor, especially considering the GT went to the smaller and more complex 4.6L. Unfortunately when the new LS1 Z-28 camaro came out I could not believe how ugly the new front end was. I then bought a 1999 GT and put on a roots blower and other speed parts. It had about 400 HP at the rear wheels. I had that for about 4 years and want something different now. I then heard about the new SRT-4. An 11-14 PSI turbocharged (with a big factory intercooler and functional cold air intake) 2.4L long-stroke 4-banger sports car with decent looks and handling weighing only 2,880 pounds for $19,995 all under factory warranty with upgradeable factory parts? It got my attention!!! I hope the 223hp on the chassis dyno (at the wheels) that I read on the net is true. Throw a few dollars into this car and you could have an awesome looking and running 12 second street car all for under 25K! Bring on those expensive (and yes, better made) imports. |
| "Another avid fan of ""American Junk""" |
| turbo2 20-4-2003 |
"First of all ""MISTER KNOW IT ALL"", I am very knowledgeable. Try like over 25 years of automotive knowledge and hands on experience. As far as reputable sources are concerned you egotistical moron, I get then from differnt magazines, publications and web sites like; Ward's Auto, Motor Age, Automotive Industries, Automotive Engineering, NHTSA, The Car Connection, various performance magazines, etc....... Second, I didn't base my conclusion that the Neon is a piece of s**t, by just that one incident. I based it on other factors. Like reading about the neon, Dodge automotive mechanics who actually work on them.Who by the way also agree with me that the Neon is a piece of junk, and finally people who actually owned neons. Notice how I said owned, not still own. Third, I am very aware that the SRT-4 was developed by PVO. Mr. JohnFernandez being the Director of PVO. Who gives a care. HE was also responsible for developing the Omni GLHS, which supposedly stood for ""Goes like hell"", well more like GOES LIKE S**T. It was a fast little car but like other turbocharged cars developed by Mr. Fernandez and Carrol Shelby, they where all JUNK. None of the turbocharged vehicles they developed where worth a darn. Now as far as the EVO and the WRX STI, they are superior to you ""humble"" Neon. They are Proven vehicles. They would first of all smoke your little pathetic neon. Second they are built a lot better than the SRT4, and don't tell me that they are not. Third, they are proven vehicles both on and off the track. The neon is not!!!!!!! So let's get the facts straight ""Mister know it all"", overall the SRT-4 ""s**t box"" is NO MATCH for the EVO and the STI. The Jap's will always build better cars than ""us"" Americans. HANDS DOWN!!!!! Last but not least. As far as using proper grammer, WHO REALL CARES!!! It's a forum you MORON. It's not like we are being graded on it. If you are so anal about ""us"" not using PROPER GRAMMER, then maybe you should take your a** somewhere else. Maybe where someone might actually give a care. Maybe that ""one"" person, might even actually grade you on your use of grammer. The point I am trying to make is that ""we"" are human. We make error's. I have seen you criticze many people on this forum for not using proper grammer, as well as there intelligence. You are by know means ""PERFECT"". So take your head out of your a** Mister Mark!!!!!!, better yet take your a** somewhere else. P.S Please forgive me if made any grammatical mistakes, YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" |
| All Right Morons-it's time to get educated about the little |
| markhp48g 14-4-2003 |
"Before you commnent on the humble but vicious Neon SRT-4 or any auto/technical piece of hardware, two things are essential: KNOWLEDGE & PROPER GRAMMAR. First of all, if you want to acquire relevant performance data of a vehicle in question, consult reputable sources with an objective view towards auto evaluations; publications such as ward's auto world, performance mags, respectable web auto testers/writers, etc.(Consumer Reports can't evaulate even mundane mustard objectively as they would like to you to believe). Second hand info passed down from your mom's brother or the friend of a friend of some juvenile car buff pretender who once had a similar model does'nt cut the mustard either. Additionally, manufacturers performance claims approximate the same realm of reliability-they are just ad proclamations & many use hp/torque standards converted from their subsequent homelands-JIS, DIN & ours-SAE are quite different. Secondly, if your not intelligent enough to use the King's English to some degree of fluency, then learn to use it or continue to hang with your Neanderthal Civic driving Rap Buddies. Finally, if you want to know the final word about the SRT-4 & the vehicle's lineage-it was developed by Chryco's PVO(performance group) in concert with former SCCA racers of the previous Neon track model & yes, its got what it takes to manhandle the Mitsu EVO & Sube WRX & even the new Z-MLH MSME" |
| NO COMPARISON! |
| turbo2 14-4-2003 |
First of all the STI has 300HP. Second the top speed on both the evo and STi are limited. It means that they are restricted from going faster, the SRT-4 is not. Second the Evo and the STI are proven cars. They are well built. The NEON IS A LEMON.Idont know why they even build them anymore.Third,Evo and the STi both would outperform an SRT-4 ANYDAY in every aspect. Yes the extra 8- 10 thousand dollars is definatley worth it. They will last A LOT LONGER THAN AN SRT-4and you are getting a lot more car than even if you dumped another 8-10 thousand in the SRT-4. Even Car and Driver gave the SRT-4 a 6 for build quality. Which is below average. Finally, IT'S STILL A NEON. I don't know anybody who ever owned a neon to ever say anything nice about it except for it was CHEAP. YUP CHEAP and I mean not just the price, but every thing else. One of my friends mom bought a 2002 and she sold it after 7 months because it had so many problems. Enough said. |
| SRT-4 Power Power and wait more Power |
| MrSRT-4_2U 13-4-2003 |
"My Flame Red SRT-4 is loaded with Power! I am looking at dropping it and changing the wheels, a limited slip is in the works by a few after market groups. I do not really need to make those changes, I am happy :) I have proven my SRT faster then a lot of more expensive cars on both the street and track. WRX, 350Z, Eclipse, Lancer, MR2, A4, a ton of modded Honda's and even a 5.0 mustang all shown up by my still stock SRT-4.I just laugh at the losers and say, ""You were just spanked by my 'Stock' Neon!!!!! How do you feel now?""- laughing alot :) I can not wait to add some stuff under the hood and take down bigger faster more expensive cars." |
| why do u people compare a sti and evo to an srt 4 |
| elusive 11-4-2003 |
wrx sti top speed is a 152 mph 276 hp and 270 foot lbs of torq and a price tag of about 33,500 dollars evo 271 hp and 273 foot lbs of torq 155mph top speed price 30,000 dollars srt-4 223hp and 250 lbs of torq top speed 156 mph price 20,000 dollars anyone with half a brain would know with 10,000 dollars and change to spend u could build up alot more then the 50 hp that these 2 cars have more then the srt 4 so the srt 4 is nothing to shake a stick at |
| It is just straight up fun driving!!!! |
| Rally1 11-4-2003 |
"I'm not going to sit here and say it is better than the Evo or the WRX cause they are a whole different kind of car. But this SRT-4 is like a pissed off neon looking for vengence. I am looking at getting one but they need to get the bugs out of the first year like any new car. Put a cruise control which I hear they are working on to work with the turbo, because I like to go on trips and you need a cruise control. And they to put power windows in the rear two doors. Intrax has a coil over kit that will drop the car 2"" all around and add a set of TSW Stinger 18"" wheels with 215-40-18 Yoko Parada's you will have a car that handles!!!" |
| SRT-4 |
| turbo2 11-4-2003 |
Lets get the facts straight guy's. First of all the Evo VIII would spank the SRT-4 ANYDAY! Second, I don't car what people say the SRT-4 is STILL A NEON. I will say this though it does look nice, but IT'S STILL A NEON! I know people who own them. They always bitch and complain about how unreliable they are. |
| My SRT-4 |
| GirlsJustLoveFun 10-4-2003 |
I honestly don't think anyone can judge the SRT-4's ability unless they personally have sat behind the wheel and have taken it for a spin.. The stats on the SRT-4 are awesome but it doesn't do the car justice. I have an SRT-4 and the Stat's werent what made me buy it, what made me buy the car was the test drive and I have been completely happy with it since.. I went out car shopping for a GT Mustang and came home with the SRT-4. I recommend this car for anyone and everyone who is looking for a fast, fun car. |
| WRX & EVO owners are in for a big surprise |
| markhp48g 8-4-2003 |
Every report & testimony I gather wind of demonstrates that the Neon SRT-4 is about as mean as you can get for $20K. For all you rice sled fans, it will probably smoke that Sube & Mitsu in the slalom since it is also a proven track racer. Now, raise hell all you want to try to justify the $25-30K price you shelled out for a hopped-up bland reptilian Corolla look alike, because you will get burned by the smiley SRT-4 on the strip & probably in the curves, plus that Neon owner has got at least $5k to spare for upgrades that will make any comparison to your samurai warriors null & void. MLH-MSME |
| Who wouldn't buy this car?! |
| likwidstunna 8-4-2003 |
"I am a sales consultant for Dodge. I recently attended a performance driving school for the SRT-4. The SRT-4 is not a Neon at all (so don't use the ""n"" word)! With 215 horsepower and 245 lb-ft of torque, it is truly a rocket (on the dyno the SRT-4 actually pulled off 223hp and 250ft-lb of torque). For 20K, you can't beat the performance of this car. It is an absolute blast to drive. If Dodge ever adds camber adjustment and a limited slip to the SRT-4, it would be perfect. As is, the unsuspecting driver of a Subaru WRX might wonder what happened at that traffic light." |
| Got that right |
| s13_drifter 7-4-2003 |
Yea sounds like a typical American car......... |
| So? |
| paul544 4-4-2003 |
Who gives a crap how it handles on loose, greasy or wet roads? If you are racing in those conditions then you're an idiot anyway. |
| Yea whatever |
| s13_drifter 1-4-2003 |
Point everyone's missing. How does it handle compared to a 4wd evo/sti? Sure might be ok on a dry road, but maybe wet/greasy/loose surface, it wouldn't even be close |
| Fast enough |
| paul544 1-4-2003 |
I just bought a flame red SRT-4 here in Florida just yesterday. And in just 1 day, I have smoked 2 WRXs, one Mustang GT, and a host of tricked out rice burners. Everyone wanted a shot. This thing is fast. 215hp is BS. This is 230 at least. Handles great and gets you up to 100mph without trying. Dealer told me there will be Stage 1-3 performance upgrades available in 3 months. 50, 100 and 150 hp upgrades. With the Stage 3 voiding all warranties. |
| SRT4me-Great Decision & Language |
| markhp48g 18-3-2003 |
"That noted fellow did a head to head comparo of the SRT4 & Sube WRX & drove home with the terminator of the pocket rocket class. I don't need to elaborate anymore since he uses his head & the King's English quite well; now go out & fry those EVOs & every damn Honda; the law hopefully won't take notice-hey it's just a Neon. MLH" |
| Eyewitness Testimony on the SRT-4 |
| SRT4Me 13-3-2003 |
Soaring gas prices, a tired 185,000 mile/nine year old truck and a need for change sent me on a hunt for a new car this last month. I went to every dealership and test drove every car available for around $25K. My main criteria were good gas mileage, a nice appearance that wouldn't look outdated in a week and a backseat that could accommodate more than a severed head. My last stop found me staring at a charming looking domestic appearing sedan seemingly mocking the WRX parked next to it. I'd originally intended to test-drive the WRX and, if the price was right, take it home. I test drove the SRT-4, then the WRX, then the SRT-4 again. A couple hours later I sat in front of my house, the dual stainless exhaust tips humming a sweet tune, relishing the look of confusion I'd seen on the faces of dozens of spikey-haired street racers who were, no doubt, still aching from whiplash. Long story short...drive it, then speculate and rate. The SRT-4 is performance incarnate. The handling is exceptional...even with front wheel drive...zipping through turns and curves at 50MPH with nary a lean (Compact Car Mag apparently did the slalom at 69). My cheeks ache each night...I don't know if it's from the insane acceleration or my perma-grin. Even with all that power and speed, the SRT-4 stops on a dime without so much as a sound. All told, I sigh with relief everytime I think of the square faced boxy looking WRX which almost came to occupy the spot where my SRT-4 sits, waiting for another opportunity to administer profane amounts of adrenaline to its occupants. Drive it, then try not to smile. Just try. |
| "Check the Number's; SRT-4 is QUICKEST" |
| markhp48g 12-3-2003 |
"S13_drifter & Mr. Hahn, just check the latest comparos in the auto mags & the dyno studies done on the so called inferior front drive Neon SRT-4. Two well respected dyno reports pegged the hp at 280 plus & you've got to look at that understated torque number also, & its peak (240 lb-ft)over a range of 2000-4800 rpm. The high hp & its BIGTIME LOW END GRUNT are the reasons it can put the hurt on the WRX & EVO & yes even the new 287 hp Z-car. I don't care if you live in New Zealand, Europe, Asia or God's country-USA; the results are the same-the Japanese do not rule the pocket rocket category, at least for $20 grand they don't! The Super Rice Terminator is to be acknowledged as such. MLH-engr" |
| mmmmmm yummy |
| s13_drifter 12-3-2003 |
well, sounds ok on paper, up til the part that says 'front wheel drive'.not too sure about 205hp keeping up with an evo or sti, but bring it up 2 280 and add some 4motion and it would be fairly decent. being from new zealand, this car wouldn't have much appeal here, 4wd reigns supreme on our roads and drag strips. ever tried launching a fwd? don't know how the looks will go down either.decent set of springs wouldn't go amiss. sorry to tell you, but the japs have definitely got this sector of the market sewn up |
| Well Spoken Darbow, but... |
| markhp48g 24-2-2003 |
The little affordable car that can: Neon in any form is a roomy, gutsy, affordable American compact that has the unique characteristic the imports almost universally lack-(save for the Beetle)-Personality. It does'nt look like a reptile as viewed from the front as the saki-sleds do, but simply smiley, chunky & happy like the VW. Let's hope that Daimler does not base the 2006 model on a bland Mitsu product, as I hear is a possibility, then we'd all be in a sea of look alike Japan Inc. sushi boxes. If you want to see Neon's longetivity as a US built & designed product, then I suggest you contact Daimler-Chrysler & voice your opinion about keeping this little tank of fun here. Thanks-Mark |
| It is what it is. |
| darbow 21-2-2003 |
I am tired of people comparing this 20k vehicle with the WRX (25k), Mitsu Turbo (30k+) and 350z(29k+). This car is for the guy who does not own a huge house and 60k+income a year. This is a Neon people, the car most writers have busted on since 1994. Its affordable performance period! No one at Dodge is saying this is like a Vette or Stang, they are kinda saying its to beat the import Civics etc, where a 19yr old kid gets red in the face when this car blows them away. So pls stop trying to compare and pick this car apart, especially those who never drove it before. Remember its $19,995 out the door with ac, cd player, sport seats etc... A payment of $300 or so a month doesnt sound bad (for those of us who are not loaded). Get out your downpayment checks... |
| Mr. Hahn check Real World Performance Tests |
| markhp48g 21-2-2003 |
"Hey Mr. Hahn-Why don't you just check out the latest reviews & comparisons in some recent hot rod mags. The WRX & Mitsu EVO are not even close at the drag strip with the little Neon pulling off a 13.99 ET at 104 mph in the quarter mile in one head to sushi comparison. Additionally, two details need to be clarified: 1. the mfg. 0-60 times are just claims, 2. the hp/torque ratings are much the same, i.e. not in the real world. The Neon SRT hp is probably understated in this regard, but more the better; it will burn the rice sleds in Europe, Japan & the U.S.A. By the way, I assume you are implying [email protected] times in metric units, if not then you're referring to the Drag King called Viper. Conclusion: you can watch the WRX/EVO in your RVM all day & you're Wrong-Enough Said-(MLH Mech. Engr.)" |
| Oh boy... |
| masestylez 16-2-2003 |
Once again, this car is fast, I heard it handles alright on a track, but the EVO and WRX cars are for rally/track, not straight line fast like the Neon is. Even if the 0-60 WERE faster which it is not, both the WRX and the EVO could take it easily on a track and in a rallye. |
| I doubt it beats a subaru or EVO for that fact |
| MrHahn 14-2-2003 |
Markhp48G last time I checked the brand new subaru STANDARD WRX does 0-100 in 5.7 secs and the STi in 5.2 or lower, the EVO does it in similar numbers. It might be something new, but this dodge already seems out of date |
| Watch the Rising Sun in Your RVM |
| markhp48g 11-2-2003 |
"The humble, but well conceived Neon gets a serious performance boost regarding the SRT with the addition of some hot hardware upgrades: 215 underrated turbo hp-(its probably in the area of 240-260 from early tests results), 17 in. low profile rubber, and for God's sake-seats right out of a Viper! You can watch any street legal Sube WRX or Mitsu rally car in your rear view mirror at the strip & probably the track, after a second or two of turbo lag and the restless herd is released from captivity-(the new Z car is game also). C'mon Chrysler don't give up this chassis to a co-designed Mitsubishi small saki sled. It's damn good as is; just needs some polishing/refinement & derivatives. MLH-MSME" |
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