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| Looking back... |
| snake bacon 08-10-2011 |
I may be 8 years late to post, but i'd like to reminisce. Everyone here loved the car (Except GTracer because he was being a troll) and the only problem we had with it was that it was completely unknown, well now after all the numerous other zonda's (F, R, Cinque, Tricolore etc.) we love them without hesitation. Amazing how a completely unknown manufacturer can create one of the worlds favourite supercars, and not fade into obscurity |
| BlackSunshine - Aerodinamics is not important???? |
| Dan 1-5-2003 |
If it is not, then can u explain why top fuel dragsters throw parachutes for braking? Because it makes them lose weight???? And they go over 200mph. You are saying horespower is more important, then if the dragster would have 5hp more, it would be able to pull parachute, or what??? Or is it some phenomenon that your NASA engineers can't explain???? |
| Too right mate! |
| Supercharged 28-3-2003 |
Petrol_pete i couldnt hav put it better myself,u literally took the words outta my mouth!, blacksunshine is chatting utter rubbish, by makin such comments he shows his lack of knowledge. Currently im in my final year of studyin mechanical engineering , i know about aerodynamics, fluidflow and a fair bit about vehicle dynamics, first all lemme jus say power to weight ratio affects ACCELERATION more then it does the topspeed!!!Ask ne car manufacturer be it lotus or saleen and they'll tell u the same. aerodynamics is the most important factor in gaining topspeed. Learn from history....the MG EX 181 achieved a topspeed of 254 mph, with only a lil 1.5 litre supercharged straight four engine, producing jus 300bhp,the reason it gained such a whoppin high topspeed was because of its aerodynamic tear drop shape. Carrol shelby discoverd the importance of aerodynamics the hard way, his cobra had a better power to weight ratio then the ferarri 250 GTO, yet the ferrari got higher speeds on the mulsanne straight then the cobra,this was again due to its aerodynamic shape, when carrol make some some modifications to the body of the cobra (hence the daytona coupe was born) it got higher topspeeds then the ferarri. |
| BlackSunshine |
| Petrol_Pete 7-2-2003 |
I am astounded at your unfounded opinions on aerodynamics, weight and horsepower. Knowing engineers does not imply that YOU know what you are talking about or indeed that you are an engineer! Firsty, if you must resort to commenting on peoples mastery of the English language rather than on substance you simply demonstrate a very shallow argument. Secondly, a civil engineer designs bridges and roads, not cars. And an unspecified NASA engineer, one can only assume, is involved in rocketry, again, not cars. Yes weight is of great significance if you are launching a rocket, not driving a car on the road. Ignoring handling in this argument, weight alone, and therefore inertia, effects your acceleration, not steady state speed. Additional horspower will counteract this and cause you to accelerate faster. At a steady state speed over 200 mph weight is completely irrelevant! Horespower must counteract aerodynamic drag for you to acheive a faster speed. And aerodynamic drag increases with the square of speed, a commonly known (too some!) relation. Why do you think a car eventually hits a brick wall and doesn't accelerate indefinitely? Its because of wind resistance and tyre friction among other losses. Put a car in a vacuum and it will reach a ridiculous speed limited then by the next significant loss (ignoring gearing), which will be the aformentioned tyre friction. Please dont comment on things you know little about, all you will do is embarrass yourself. As for the Zonda, it is a truly exotic car. I'm not a big fan of the styling, which is a matter of taste rather than anything else. But it is unique and technically advanced in its design, and man is it fast! |
| damn |
| 116 corvett 27-12-2002 |
this car is nice talk about style ,no underdone chassis here . now this is class . this is a car that throws off itlalys facade of overly priced car that couldent be driven on the road . this car ha s some wicked stylings imean look at those pipes! also i beat that the handeling is more than forgiving! |
| What a design! |
| ice_freezer 19-12-2002 |
When I first saw this car I thought the design is really fresh. I mean nowadays it's kinda hard to invent something fresh in supercars' design. Bravo, Zonda. |
| its faster than the lambo |
| energy2 8-11-2002 |
To the person who wanted to see a roadtest between the lambo and this car, its already been tested, and the pagani wins. It has been voted best supercar this year, and last year. It also costs nearly twice as much as the murcelago so you would expect it. I read somewhere that they are selling quite well for a small relatiely unknown supercar maker , about 90 per annum. They should try to make it to Le Mans. |
| Different |
| Lachlan J 24-10-2002 |
This car has very quirky styling, but nevertheless looks pretty good, but only if it is lowered so as the wheel arches don't stick out to far above the wheels. Despite being less powerful tha the Murcielage, this car is considerably lighter, so I'd like to see the two race, it would be quite a spectacle. |
| weight of the plate |
| henk4 10-10-2002 |
To have been absolutely convincing, Kudosdude might have added that the material of which the plate is made is irrelevant. Therefore it could have been a very heavy steel plate or a sheet of aluminium. (yes, this is how you correctly spell this word). So once more, weight does not appear in any resistence equations. |
| case in point |
| BlackSunshine 9-10-2002 |
the Viper Venom 800TT from Hennesy will go head to head with a mclaren for top speed, probably even beat it, because it's got so much power. The reason it needs so much more power than the mclaren is because of it's weight. It's a much heavier car. So it needs more power, mean while... it's aerodynamics were much worse, but what was important was that power and weight ratio. Now yes, aerodynamics are important, VERY important, but what I'm saying is that they are not QUITE as important as the power/weight ratio is. My cousins an engineer for Nasa and has had convorsations with me about this. |
| The great Debate |
| kudosdude 9-10-2002 |
"Okay, am still banging on about factors that affect speed above 200 mph (factors the designers of this car will have considered no doubt). So I went a hunting on-line and found the following information; At low speeds the mass (weight), the tractive force (horsepower/tires/track) and the inertia (load transfer) are the dominate determinants of performance limited only by loss of control caused by wheel-stands or smoking (spinning) tires. These problems are diminished with increasing speed. At higher speeds aerodynamic forces become important, increasing as the square of the airspeed. A flat plate of one square foot area and perpendicular to the relative wind will produce drag force of zero at zero miles per hour, 33 pounds at 100 mph, 133 pounds at 200 mph and 299 pounds at 300 mph. The corresponding horsepower required to overcome the aerodynamic drag is zero, 9 hp at 100 mph, 71 hp at 200 mph, and 239 hp at 300 mph. A drag racer may have drag equivalent to a flat plate 12 feet in area and acting several feet above the ground, requiring 2,868 hp to overcome the aerodynamic drag at 300 mph. DRAG FORCE ON A ONE-SQUARE FOOT SQUARE PLATE Speed Drag Force Horsepower Required to Overcome the Aerodynamic Drag 0 mph 0 pounds 0 hp 100 mph 33 pounds 9 hp 200 mph 133 pounds 71 hp 300 mph 299 pounds 239 hp www.trackaero.com/factors1.html My apologies at having to rip off some-one elses website.""" |
| straight line speed |
| henk4 9-10-2002 |
We were talking straight line speed, not speed and handling on a circuit. The stir that the Lotus 23, drive by Jim Clark, caused (in 1600 cc guise) when it first appeared on the Nurburgring 1000 KM race in 1962, is well remembered, the heavy ferrari's had no chance, until the Lotus had to retire prematurely (not for the first time.) However, the top speed of the Ferrari's was still superior. |
| Weight and aerodynamics are important! |
| IBrake4Rainbows 9-10-2002 |
Both have equal billing when trying to create a driveable supercar. You need to control the airflow around the car, but you also need to make sure it doesn't get blown away when it attempts these speeds! A light car with Great power and excellent downforce is always going to beat a heavy car with a huge engine, hands down! |
| so no weight then |
| henk4 8-10-2002 |
extremely interesting article, a bit of a pity for a nice GTO but the technical part, including all the formula's is revealing. In none of the equations the weight factor plays a role, so I am looking forward to seeing alternative equations. Weight may play a role in acceleration times but not in resistance at constant speeds. |
| Info on drag and important factors at high speed |
| GTS25t 8-10-2002 |
Have a look at the Bonneville articles on the following website. http://www.bobnorwood.com/ This guy is a verteran of the Bonneville top speed trials. There is much commentary on important factors at high speeds here. |
| sources |
| BlackSunshine 7-10-2002 |
My cousin, an engineer at NASA. My grandfather, a civil engineer. If that's not enough, how about Callaway (creator of the sledge hammer corvette). A friend I go to college with who's got a masters degree in aerodynamic engineering and used to do some work with John Hennesy (Viper Venom) in houston. All of them have said that above 200 miles an hour top speed is more about horse power and weight with aerodynamics coming in at an extremely close third. |
| Prove it... |
| kudosdude 7-10-2002 |
... Sorry blacksunsine - I'm going to have to ask you to show some data to substantiate your claims. This weekend I got in contact with a mate of mine who worked for Lotus (he helped work on the engine in the VX220) and he doesn't know who you've been talking to. He would be very keen to see your figures. |
| The closest yet to Mclaren F1 |
| Shaitan 5-10-2002 |
think about it......light weight, composites, and a screaming German engine, this car is the closest yet to an F1, good job Pagani. But in my opinion, it is a much better looking car..the best looking supercar ever.....i am in loooooooooooove!! |
| FYI |
| BlackSunshine 4-10-2002 |
"Drag is an encreadably important factor yes. But the key part to my comment was ""above 200mph"". You can ask any automotive deisiner or engineer, that above 200mph the TWO most important factors are hp and weight. At speeds like that (regaurdless of how long it took to get there)... the weight becomes an enourmous factor right behind the HP. Aero dynamics is the third most important factor, and not by much. Once again this is for speeds above 200MPH; On a scaled of 1-10 (10 being most important) Hp is a 10, Weight a 9.5, and aerodynamics a 9, pretty much every thing else is 8 or lower. Once again, all this is for speeds in excess of 200MPH (I have no clue what that is in Km).""" |
| BlackSunshine - What are you talking about? |
| kudosdude 4-10-2002 |
"Sorry mate, whoever told you that weight is one of the most important considerations in the top end of a car; is pulling your preverbial leg. Overcoming drag & negating positive lift are some of the biggest stumbling blocks for a designer (if we aren't considering elements of horsepower and traction). For a very simplified example of this put a couple of bags of cement (or fat neighbours or whatever) in the front seat your car (not in the boot). It may take forever to get to the top speed of the car, but the difference is negligable. Now do the same thing (without passengers or cement) with your doors propped open, or use a roof slammer (like trucks have). I would suggest trying this on a runway. This is a somewhat extreme example. What i am trying to say is that drag is the single biggest limiting factor to a high top-end. Why do you think that aeroplanes fly high up? Less air resistance saves fuel & allows faster cruising speeds. The only scenario your friend may be considering would be in racing applications. Many rules limit the designers' scope to adjust downforce on their cars, in this case more power is the only way to beat air resistance, but as a rule of thumb he is incorrect. As regards this car; I'm not a fan of the looks. A few parts seem overstyled (and I can't stand the headlights). Horacio Pagani used to work for Lamborghini and produced a few carbon fibre studies during his stay. I can't think of a much better place to start. Quite a pricey beast though don't you think? Despite my feelings as towards the looks; Thank God people make these cars!!! Wouldn't life be boring without them.""" |
| Pagani, you have my attention..... |
| IBrake4Rainbows 4-10-2002 |
This car looks and sounds like the Bees Knees (really good, for those unfamiliar with aussie lingo). I just hope the millionaires of this world can look past badge snobbery and gve this fisty little italian company a go! The detailing is awesome, nearly everything inside is either suede, leather, aluminium or Carbon fibre. this one goes down on my christmas list. |
| my opinion. |
| BlackSunshine 4-10-2002 |
"First... I think this is one amaizing automobile. Probably the only car currently in production that I would rather have than a ferrari (didn't specify which model). Second... while the 575M is a GT, it's also a super car, to the freakin coar man. And don't argue that... because well... you can't. Meanwhile I don't really consider the Murc a GT, I consider it an all out super car. Third... GTracer, if you so much smarter, then how come nothing you said made one damn bit of since? Maybe your new at the english language, and that's ok, but if so don't bother with things like comment pages untill you get more familiar with the language. And just so ya know; above 200mph, HP & weight are the 2 most defining factors, with aerodynamics a close third (go ask any automotive designer who's done work on super cars). So how the hell can you determine top speed with one simple equation? You can't. and Fourth and finale... I loooooooooooooooooooooooove this car, for performance as well as looks. It's a balls to the wall all out super car. Buetiful and orginal enterior with no parts bin components, and the finest materials. With styling that no matter who you are or what you own... this things ganna grap you attention... it goes beyond ""screaming"" super car. It sings it into a bullhorn while wearing a billboard with the words written on it. You look at this car on a stand, in a parking lot, on the road, and you know damn well this thing has enough speed to out run 98% of the other cars on the road. But my favorite thing about it's styling. It's sooooo goddamned bold. There's nothing subtle about it. It's smooth and in your face just like hugh hefner on a playmate. There's NOTHING, not one thing, about this car's styling that can really be called ""normal"". I mean hell... just look at the rear spoiler. Anyways, that's all I got to say about this car... f**king AWESOME. P.S. To answer the quetion of ""who the hell is Pagani?"" Pagani is (I might be wrong) the single largest (possible second, I can't remember) destributer and producer of carbon fiber car parts that are commisioned by companies such as lamborghini and even a few ferrari's.""" |
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| Spiros 4-10-2002 |
Being a die hard porsche fan its hard for me to like any other car, but this is the only production car that is faster than a GT2 on the n'ring, therefore it demands my respect, also looks alot better than and ferrari or lambo.(we wont get into porsche) |
| hmmm |
| GTracer 4-8-2002 |
hmmm lets see it is good but i seen more better ones if ya look at it on my point of view i know italianto russian cars ESPECIALY American cars i seen the most magnificant cars better looking then a Pagani Zonda C12S and C12 and plus top speed aint all the great not only i been testing good enough but also some blueprints aswell to see max speed all i need on blue prints are the mm per 3/4's of a mile and i would have max speed right there and the style well lets see it's more into the 1995 era of style then 2000-2002 style and don't hate me because im smarter |
| Good Move for Pagani |
| lysator 3-8-2002 |
Pagani Zonda targets on a market segment without many contenders. In my opinion the maranello or the murcielago aren't contenders. They are GT sportscars. The Zonda is a state of the art supercar with carbonfibre chassis and bodywork and very good torsional rigidity. I think that the only contender at this point is the Koenigsegg CC. |
| An odd beauty |
| Ferrari4Life 3-8-2002 |
This is one of the most beautiful supercars I have evr laid eyes on. From the uniquely sculpted and laid out interior to the wow(!) rear three-quarter view, this car is awesome. |
| style, super performance, handles like a dream, |
| energy2 30-7-2002 |
From what i have heard about this supercar, its won all the supercar tests, like for example pagani v muercielago v 575 M v 996gt2. I have never seen one on the road, or at shows, but i think this car is styled almost to perfection. Those funny quad tail pipes, are awesome, and to think that its engine is sourced from a Merc, but delivers performance like this is incredible. Recently i read an article, where the first british guy bought one, and crowds were drawn to the car everywhere, even people in 355's were staring. this is the ultimate car- fast, reliable, a poseurs ultimate, and pretty too. the only down side is that its a Pagani - ----> what the hell is that ? |
| Super Styling .... |
| Canay 23-7-2002 |
... in my opinion the Zonda C12 is one of the best looking Supersportscar. I saw it live at the Geneva Automobil Salon and its GREAT ... It shows a lot of Powerful Curves. |
| A nice car |
| Shaitan 22-7-2002 |
hey Marcelo, the creator of the Zonda is Horacio Pagani, not Alejandro, i have proof, i have his autograph, and yes this car is really a beautifull car, with amazing performance, i love it.... |
| Pagani Zonda |
| Marcelo 18-7-2002 |
The constructor?s car is Mr. Alejandro Pagani, who lives in Italia but he was born in Argentina, and made the most beautiful car in the world. Zonda is the name of a wind of the north of Argentina and the real name is Fangio, in honor of the most great racer in the history, Juan Manuel Fangio. Sorry for my english. |
| Fast! |
| McL 99 17-7-2002 |
This car is fast. It is rumored to acelerate 0-100 kmph @ less than 3.7 secs. Good works, Italians! |
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