Since we seem to be going in circles...

[ZeTurbo]

Th answer you lft out is the "NO DIFFERENCE".
because without guns ppl would just find other ways to hurt eachother and control others.
We are born with guns, our fists, and as soon as u pick up a twig with purpuse of smaking one in the head with it , it becomes a weapon. guns are just quicker to kill.

i voted no nonetheless, i can only imagine that MAYBE there would be less suffering.. and that is a thought worth ahving.

[fpv_gtho]

What we're trying to point out though is with a gun you can kill someone standing maybe 500m away from you, try doing that with any primitive hand held weapon. that alone makes the act of killing alot easier as theres no need for one on one combat

[Luciferous]

and one definate big YES on the world being better ( and apologies to those who live in these countries by ours was as bad as the rest )

Without the gun the native may still have their land, Americans, Australian Aborigines and pacific island maoris along with antive Africans, Indians et al

A rather sobering thought

Well I'm not too sure about the Aboriginal Australians, as there weren't all that many to begin with, but I bet the big bad Maoris would still have their land. Those are some seriously big people.

[Luciferous]

its just that guns can be easier to use.

And yet you still voted No??

[fpv_gtho]

Well I'm not too sure about the Aboriginal Australians, as there weren't all that many to begin with, but I bet the big bad Maoris would still have their land. Those are some seriously big people.

I think theyre population around 1788 was about 300,000 which even given the times wasnt much for such a large country, but there were also 600 different language groups so maybe thats a better indication.

[SlickHolden]

Why do you think they come down so hard on you when you get charged with assault or anything and they find out youve got the black belt in Karate

A trained fighter has their body as a weapon

I do remember this one man who knocked out a bloke and the blow killed him, He was charged with murder not manslaughter only because he was a pro fighter, And the guy he hit couldnt fight his way out of a wet paper towel.
If he got found guilty or not i dont know havent herd anything?

[SlickHolden]

What we're trying to point out though is with a gun you can kill someone standing maybe 500m away from you, try doing that with any primitive hand held weapon. that alone makes the act of killing alot easier as theres no need for one on one combat

That's right hand to hand combat or with sticks knifes bats, It's going to take it's toll on your body after 2 or 3 fights unless you gab them and it's over,

Guns shoot someone 500 meters away and you might keep going how hard is it to lay there and shoot someone, It's mental tiredness not physical.
Say someone like me that hasn't touched a gun in 15 years. Back then i was a crack shot, Even today i might be good?? But what damage could i do with a gun AK-47?? Sniper rifle??
Then what damage could i do with a sword get one and they all go running before you know it someone had tackled me from behind and king hit me out cops come I'm goooooooooooone.
So that's why if guns weren't made it killing would be just to dam hard.
That's why i can't understand people that vote if guns weren't made life would be the same, It just can't be the same without guns the hole world would be very different.

[clutch-monkey]

And yet you still voted No??

yep, because i didn't really read the question. it was only when i went back that i saw the thread was pretty much set for one answer. - even if it is irrelevant.

[clutch-monkey]

Then what damage could i do with a sword get one and they all go running before you know it someone had tackled me from behind and king hit me out cops come I'm goooooooooooone.

you could say the same for a bolt-action or a double barrel. once you've fired whatever's in the chamber your screwed. unless fear of a gun keeps people away long enough so you can reload. i know i'd fear a gun more than sword.
but a cop with a glock has a massive firepower advantage over a bolt-action or a side-by-side.

[crisis]

How can pragmatism NOT be human ?

I was reffereing to how us murderous humans are very clever at finding more efficient ways to kill.

[clutch-monkey]

I was reffereing to how us murderous humans are very clever at finding more efficient ways to kill.

yes, and we put so much effort into it
the cost of one nuclear submarine is enough to feed ethopia for a year or something

[SlickHolden]

you could say the same for a bolt-action or a double barrel. once you've fired whatever's in the chamber your screwed. unless fear of a gun keeps people away long enough so you can reload. i know i'd fear a gun more than sword.
but a cop with a glock has a massive firepower advantage over a bolt-action or a side-by-side.

I would have more of a chance with a gun.

[SlickHolden]

Like i was saying how much the US spend on overseas wars and shit, but they cant stick some money into home saftey guns being my big point.