Clarkson explains some differences between the USA and Europe

[Coventrysucks]

The US has protected weaker countries and people countless times.

In most cases the USA only comes running when it is in the interest of the USA.

The USA facilitated the Taliban's rise to power and did NOTHING about it untill it Al Qaeda made a significant attack on the USA.

Would Afghanistan and Iraq have been invaded if 9/11 had not happened, but Bali, Madrid, London etc had. No!

Why has America not invaded Zimbabwe and deposed Robert Mugabe?

Because it would not benefit the USA.

[early93viper]

So communism isnt necessarily a bad thing then, cause you agree it could work. Just b/c so far the poor have been communism doesnt mean it cant work out or is bad.
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Well I did compare it to monkey's flying out of my butt.

Not threatened? didnt earlier you say that if it wasn't for the US that the USSR would control Europe? so if they didnt threaten europe, the USSR wouldnt ever control europe, and therefore back to my point that the US did not prevent the USSR from controling europe.

And there are actual countries in europe, see chzeckoslovokia or however you spell it. Where was the US then? It seems to me that besides berlin the US sort of moved on from europe.

The reason none of them where threatened is the fact the USSR knew that the US would protect them. And Czechoslovakia was brought to communism by it's own people (Also known as Czechoslovak National Socialists).

[early93viper]

In most cases the USA only comes running when it is in the interest of the USA.

The USA facilitated the Taliban's rise to power and did NOTHING about it untill it Al Qaeda made a significant attack on the USA.

Would Afghanistan and Iraq have been invaded if 9/11 had not happened, but Bali, Madrid, London etc had. No!

Why has America not invaded Zimbabwe and deposed Robert Mugabe?

Because it would not benefit the USA.

You could say that the fact that they feel they have to be the police treats the rest of the globe as second-tier citizens. I wouldnt say the US protects just to help those needing help. If that were true then wouldnt the people who need the help most would recieve it? And then wouldnt the people of Africa of it alot better off?

Admitingly the US looks after it's best intrest. As do all countries.

[scottie300z]

The reason none of them where threatened is the fact the USSR knew that the US would protect them. And Czechoslovakia was brought to communism by it's own people (Also known as Czechoslovak National Socialists).

After World War II, a reconstituted Czechoslovakia fell within the Soviet sphere of influence. In 1968, an invasion by Warsaw Pact troops ended the efforts of the country's leaders to liberalise party rule and create "socialism with a human face" during the Prague Spring.

-wikipedia

I believe that is the soviet union.

[scottie300z]

Admitingly the US looks after it's best intrest. As do all countries.

So they arent necessarily protecting countries to protect them then? how is that as honorable as you made it out? How is that helping the world more then other countries? its more like helping themselves.

[nota]

Oh the drama

How has the US treated the rest of the globe as second-tier citizens?

Just ask Nicaraguans, Argentinians, Cubans, much of the Middle East including Palestine, Africa (the bits which contain oil wink wink) umm let me see, yep the Irish, even little Panama & Granada oh gosh there's heaps more. Which second tier nation hasn't been invaded, overthrown, meddled with or monstered by the US in recent times? There's gotta be one .. somewhere

I know! Persia

[early93viper]

-wikipedia

I believe that is the soviet union.

There was a strong movement by a lot of Czechoslovakia people to stay away from a democraticy.

[early93viper]

So they arent necessarily protecting countries to protect them then? how is that as honorable as you made it out? How is that helping the world more then other countries? its more like helping themselves.

It is honoralbe to protect Women, Children, and men who can't protect themselves. It is hard and has been hard to justify American lives to protect all of the world from all of there problems. Especially when they remember it so differently.

[early93viper]

Just ask Nicaraguans, Argentinians, Cubans, much of the Middle East including Palestine, Africa (the bits which contain oil wink wink) umm let me see, yep the Irish, even little Panama & Granada oh gosh there's heaps more. Which second tier nation hasn't been invaded, overthrown, meddled with or monstered by the US in recent times? There's gotta be one .. somewhere

I know! Persia

More drama

Calm down. The US has never gone into a country with force that wasn't either a threat to it's people or to the US. Perhaps you think another country would be better at being the World power? LOL Most any other country would (and has) used it's power in a much more greedy way.

[scottie300z]

LOL Most any other country would (and has) used it's power in a much more greedy way.

Is this not greedy at all?

Originally Posted by early93viper
Admitingly the US looks after it's best intrest. As do all countries

It is honoralbe to protect Women, Children, and men who can't protect themselves. It is hard and has been hard to justify American lives to protect all of the world from all of there problems. Especially when they remember it so differently.

it would be honorable if those were the main reasons, but instead they are the main reasons given, not the main reasons when in actuality they are looking after their own best intrests.

And it isnt hard to justify american lives, you just lie and say your protecting people, making people free, or making the world a better place. You dont have to give proof, or even follow the rules and ask congress for a decleration of war, nope you just do it. If he had to get a decleration of war, he'd have to back it up w/ actual proof of a threat. too bad its too easy to undermind the system.

You cant tell me that the US went to iraq to protect people, when there are people in alot more danger then the Iraq citizens were, they are actually in more danger now. And with no proof of any threat to the US or any other country why would the US be over there? doesnt that sound a bit greedy and uncalled for?

[scottie300z]

Im not saying that all foreign involvement by america has been bad or anything, but to say the vast majority has been good, and america is superior or whatever is taking it too far.

America may go places in order to solve a problem, but you have to realise that sometimes when you solve one problem you cause two or three new ones. It may be hard to realize that especially since you may remember it so differently.
And that is why america may not be looked that great upon, they can be viewed as causing more problems then they fix or attempt to fix. And that really isnt to honorable when considering your dealing with people's lives. You cant just go around screwing stuff up even if your heart was actually in the right place, even though i wouldnt say america's foreign policy necessarily is.

[henk4]

Where is it that I said Monatary value? NAME A communist country that is rich.

Kazakhstan

Although in name capitalistic it retains all the treats of a communist country, the current president being the former leader of the Communist Party.
And yes in monetary terms a number of people are very rich, while in real terms the wealth of the majority of the people has declined because of the abolition of the health care, education and pension system that was available during communist times.

[henk4]

Why has America not invaded Zimbabwe and deposed Robert Mugabe?

Because it would not benefit the USA.

or Turkmenistan to remove Saparmurat Niyazov, or Uzbekistan to remove Islam Karimov

[Matra et Alpine]

guys you are ALL discussing RUSSIANISM and not communism

Please read abotu COMMUNISM.

Where is it successful ? Has anyone any friends who have worked on Israeli communes ?

Shared effort to the common goal is ACTUALLY what "communism" is about.
Stalinism and Leninism created the truly draconion centralised control everyoen uses to judge whether or not "communism" succeeds.

So it helps to recognise that communism has many flavours just liek capitalism. Some "free" capitalist nations in the world today are ACTUALLY dicatotorships with HGUE corruption. Just not the ones you're using to judge capitalism and by ignoring things like ENRON and Halliburton ??

It's the bogey-man image that history has taught of commuism thanks to mcCarthyism. There are reasonble "communist" approaches all roudn the world.

AND rather than responding to each in THIS thread eithe take it elsewhere or READ THE POSTS i made. richness v monetary - missing the point. "losing income" - missing the point. BOTH of these ahve been covered already.

As an exercise the reader should list the 3 worst things with the system they support. If you can't find at least 10 to pick those three from you aren't making any logical comparison. List the 3 best things with the system you oppose. If you cant' find at least 10 to pick those three from you aren't making any logical comparison. ( how do you think businesses decide the right product to make, design to manufacture or sell ? They are taught how to OBjectively identify the Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threats embodied in ALL the alternatives. The language in use clearly demonstrates it woudl advance it SWOT analysis was done. Trust me, I've led and trained teams to do this for decades )

and to ignite a thought ... WHICH manufacturing nation is the US most "scared of" and possbily losign it's economic power to ? that would be China ... which is ??? a COMMUNIST state. Demosntrating how there is BREADTH in the "label"

[early93viper]

I am done.

No matter how many times Communism has failed you guys are still favorable for it. The definition of Insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting different results. Judging by most your mental capacities perhaps you should give Communism another try maybe it will work out this time.

Good luck guys moving to a communist country.


SO I WILL NOT BE RESPONDING AND DOUBT I WILL READ ANYMORE POSTS.

Ps. Kazakhstan is not fully Communist and has some horrible problems especially considering there RICH in OIL and other natural recourses.