Zonda F vs CGT vs Enzo vs CCR

[Gal_TT]

Which would you like the most to own?

For me it is a choice between the Carrera GT and Zonda F. I think I'll take the Zonda since it is so rare. For me the Zonda defines the term supercar. I love the extreme attention to detail. I'll take myne with a brown interior.

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[Gal_TT]

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[sleekeywoowoo]

PAGANI

It was a close race between the Koenigsegg and the Pagani, so the decision for me came down to the interior. The Zondas is just so amazing that I had to go with it. But I'd still enjoy a nice CCR.

[Street_Dreamer]

PAGANI just love it... amazing motor

[6'bore]

Zonda F. The best car on sale, and in my opinion one of the greatest road cars of all time...

...The defined striking lines give t such character, such presence, it's certainly the most pleasing on the eye of all of the choices....

The CGT has the best sounding engine of all of them but I wouldn't exactly say the Zonda F sounded like a diesel. And like in the Fifth gear video, you would never get tired of it on the over run

I love the interior aswell, not dark like most of the others, but the way the roof is glss it gives it a much more spacious feel. It has class aswell.

Also, despite it being on of the slowest their, I'm never going to use all of the power on a daily basis, so that doesn't bother me too much.

[Gianni_Jiang]

Pagani ->CCR ->Enzo -> Carrera GT

[car_fiend]

i went with the pagani, because, although the CCR is an awsome car(understaement) in its own, the pagani is just an absolute beauty, and it sounds just as good. so. still, the ccr is a close second, with the cgt following.

[PerfAdv]

Enzo>>CGT>>>>>>>>>>>>Zonda>>CCR
Zonda as good as it is, it uses outsourced parts. A Mercedes engine. For me a truly great car comes from a company that produces its own engines.

[Coventrysucks]

For me a truly great car comes from a company that produces its own engines.

You're not a fan of the McLaren F1 then.

Or any American "supercar" manufacturer either.

What if Ferrari re-released the Enzo with twin turbos on it...

Ferrari FXX?

You don't think that the Enzo and CGt went through a lot of revisions and improvements during development?

Pagani and Koenigsegg don't have they financial backing of a large manufacturer to fund an exhaustive development programme, therefore they are more likely to find room for improvement as time goes by, and customers suggest improvements.

[furious_fiero]

Ferrari FXX?

You don't think that the Enzo and CGt went through a lot of revisions and improvements during development?

Pagani and Koenigsegg don't have they financial backing of a large manufacturer to fund an exhaustive development programme, therefore they are more likely to find room for improvement as time goes by, and customers suggest improvements.

The Ferrari FXX is not being released for the street. It is strictly made for fun race day events. Pagani and Koenigsegg should have just waited and gone through all their developements before releasing their cars. Get right the first time or go home.

[PerfAdv]

You're not a fan of the McLaren F1 then.

Or any American "supercar" manufacturer either.

That is correct. Although the McLaren F1 is a fantastic car the fact that it uses a BMW V12 takes away from its overall status for me. If anything, McLaren's use of a Honda powerplant would atleast represent their F1 collaboration.

The only American supercar I can think of is the Mercedes powered Chrysler ME412 (or something). This car is a Mercedes as far as I'm concerned. It's still only a concept though.

[Coventrysucks]

the fact that it uses a BMW V12 takes away from its overall status for me. If anything, McLaren's use of a Honda powerplant would atleast represent their F1 collaboration.

Yeah, the fact that BMW were the only company willing to develop a completely new, unique engine to McLaren's output, size and weight targets really takes alot away from it.

Pagani and Koenigsegg should have just waited and gone through all their developements before releasing their cars.

Wow. Don't ever go into business will you.

How would they have funded the development if they weren't actually selling cars?

How would they know what areas of the car customers would like refined/developed if no one but a couple of Pagani/Koenigsegg test drivers could use the car?

I don't see how the Enzo or CGT is "right first time" either.

Both have come in for their share of criticisms, the Enzo for its lack of driver involvement, and the CGT for its clutch.

Meanwhile the reviews of the Koenigsegg and Pagani got little else but praised when they first came out.

The Zonda C12, reviewed by Evo in 1999;
"There's very little to fault in the Zonda. It melds traditional supercar machismo with New Age smoothness and sophistication... ...it feels just as quick [as a Lamborghini Diablo], sounds equally thunderous, has comfort levels to rival a big Merc saloon and the quality of a Patek Phillipe watch..."

"The supercar Establishment should be very worried indeed"

Yeah, sounds like they weren't even close to having the perfect car there.

[PerfAdv]

Yeah, the fact that BMW were the only company willing to develop a completely new, unique engine to McLaren's output, size and weight targets really takes alot away from it.

Let me better explain myself. It's a matter of perspective. If you were to look at a vehicle at a moment in time and at that moment it is the quickest accelerating, has the highest top speed, and best braking performance of comparable models. It to me is the best performing car but not necessarily my favorite or 'best' car. For me a long term image that's established after decades of success matter more.

The McLaren F1 to me is the best-of-the-best Kit cars. McLaren used their extraordinary racing know-how to source out and build a car that more than a decade later is still a contender. Isn't that enough. However, Where's it's lineage? I know we aren't talking about royal blood here but what came before it and what succeeded it? It was a fabulous run of about a 100 cars and that's all. I like the McF1 but it isn't amongst my favorites.

Whereas, BMW inline 6s have been evolving for decades. The 911 is the same way. And the SLs have the Gullwing SL and the racing Silver Arrows to draw upon. So, until GE or some other conglomerate buys up the car companies and 911s are powered by 300 KW electric motors that also power draw bridges across the Mekong, I'll base my choice on what a company puts into the heart of its cars, its engine.