Fuel of the Future

[Pando]

What was lucifer banned for?

[h00t_h00t]

Rubbish jokes.

[Pando]

Rubbish jokes.

For ONE post??! I thought we could tolerate a joke or two, even bad ones...? If it was some multiple account/ old familiar a??hole, then ok. But othervice I find it hard to find a reasonable explanation. Especiallly seeing it wasn't a 24h ban.
What do the mod's say?

[Matra et Alpine]

The IP is banned after repeated attempts to post dubious material under a number of new accounts. He was creating accounts as fast as they were beign blocked thinking he was clever. Course all it led to was an IP ban so now he can't get back

[i<3corvette]

i read alberta has enough oil to supply northamerica for 50 years without touching any foriegn oil. but there not drilling it yet

its possible, the tar sands in fort mcmurray are quite the hefty resouce, the problem, is the extraction process of pulling the oil off the sand is quite difficult.

and i do believe people will continue buying poor mileage cars, simply because there far far more fun. you dont buy a ferrari for good mileage.

[Matra et Alpine]

and i do believe people will continue buying poor mileage cars, simply because there far far more fun.

Venturi Fetish

[clutch-monkey]

The IP is banned after repeated attempts to post dubious material under a number of new accounts. He was creating accounts as fast as they were beign blocked thinking he was clever. Course all it led to was an IP ban so now he can't get back

understatement of the year....

[Pando]

The IP is banned after repeated attempts to post dubious material under a number of new accounts. He was creating accounts as fast as they were beign blocked thinking he was clever. Course all it led to was an IP ban so now he can't get back

Ok, thanks for the reply. Sometimes it's hard for us pawns to get "the big picture"... Who was he/she "originally" if I may ask, just to make sure "no one" is missing?

[Matra et Alpine]

Ok, thanks for the reply. Sometimes it's hard for us pawns to get "the big picture"... Who was he/she "originally" if I may ask, just to make sure "no one" is missing?

asdf bukkake BUTTTS ganga goodboy hahahah heartbroken lucifer puss pussywillow YCANTVBFRIENDS yssup ZEMO ZemoButts

[Pando]

asdf bukkake BUTTTS ganga goodboy hahahah heartbroken lucifer puss pussywillow YCANTVBFRIENDS yssup ZEMO ZemoButts

Ah, in that case he had it coming. And I missed most of these ^

["Clevor" Angel]

I think ethanol in the way to go at first, then the air cars that I think the germans are coming out with now. They can run on petrol but at speeds lower than 45 mph they run on air compressed to 4335psi.

[magracer]

With no actual knowledge on the subject I would say it has to be hydrogen. There's tons of it so it's cheap, and it explodes like all hell broke loose. It's just a matter of time until we find the solution.

On the political side, I think that replacement fuel development has been seriously slowed down by the petrochemical industry wanting to get filthy rich. But as I said before, this is just my conspiracy theory.

[Cedric]

Poor mileage cars which consume a lot do not contribute to the waning oil reserves, since there aren't that much around and they aren't used as everyday cars by most people. In the US on the contrary, plain 4-door saloons were not very economical (and don't get me started about contemporary SUV's), and driving those will not help your checking account either; it's a train of thought I could never fully grasp.
The first thing to do is to make passenger cars more economical, and I think many modern cars are doing well in that field. If this trend keeps on, we might be looking at 3 litres/100 km (I don't bother converting into mpg as it's getting late, so if you wanna know: 282.5 / x l/100km = y mpg).
Secondly, oil extraction processes ought to improve drastically in order to reduce losses.

When it comes to hydrogen cell cars, I wouldn't care those being around, but I fear that Western governments (who claim to be so caring and liberal) just might ban ordinary fuel altogether (a tendency comparable to what they've done with leaded fuel several years) if hydrogen cars become ubiquitous. Just don't think they will allow fuel being sold for a bunch of old cars and a handful of supercars, no way, we're talking politicians here (and I haven't met one who's into cars yet). So, if the fuel cell becomes popular (good for the environment as it is though) and ordinary fuel will be banned, just cos of the vagaries of political discourse, petrol heads of the world, stand up to it, and unite yourselves (I will be one of you -cf. Mad Max).
Therefore, I sincerely hope with all my heart that fuel will never be banned and that it will be sold at a realistic price, and it would be good if it lived in harmony with alternative fuels.
The alternatives I'd rather yield to, are methanol or ethanol, cos they will not render the internal combustion engine obsolete (which the fuel cell might eventually do). But, is producing ethanol viable?
Much more to come on this discussion in the future. I just hope that the sound of thumping or bellowing cylinders will live on well into the 21st century, no matter what fuel they feed on.

[BjD]

Thing is, when fuel cells become cheap enough for the consumer, they'll most likely run on petrol or diesel. This is going to be a lot easier to introduce to the market as the fuel distribution infrastructure is already in place (obviously ). Hence you're not going to see petrol banned any time soon. Im not convinced hydrogen is going to take off in a big way for a good while yet, guess it depends on how much it ends up costing to produce vs the cost of extracting oil.

Hydrogen has the interesting property of being available wherever you have water and an electricity supply. I remember reading an interesting discussion on this topic, where someone had the idea of everyone electrolysing water at home to power their hydrogen cars. Of course, this was based around a renewable energy source to power the electrolysis, wind, solar or a Sterling engine. The guy behind the MDI air car had a similar idea, a wind turbine compressing enough air overnight for the journey to work the next day

M/Ethanol are a good alternative to petrol/diesel. There are some issues with it, such as it attacking fuel lines. Problem is being able to grow enough crop in the first place to convert.

[Cedric]

Crop surface is not sufficient in Europe (although they could spur the farmers to grow such crops rather than lingering on EU financial aid