You can refer to the BX TC 16 as a group B car, but no Fiat branded cars were ever considered: Fiatgroup was represented by Lancia. You're mixing ages...
You can refer to the BX TC 16 as a group B car, but no Fiat branded cars were ever considered: Fiatgroup was represented by Lancia. You're mixing ages...
No. I've got the pics of the Fiat X1/9 prototypes in the FACTORY during their developmentOriginally Posted by Leo_Ant
You are correct that it was stopped as the S4 was a better package.
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
Yeah the BX was going to be a Group B car - I believe Toyota were developing one too. That S4 is still one of the most remarkable sounding race cars ever - utterly unique.
I just found this on Wikipedia - seems pretty plausible
"In relation to motorsport governed by the FIA, Group A and Group B referred to two sets of regulations for competition vehicles in touring car and rally racing. Group B was introduced by the FIA in 1982 as replacement for both Group 4 (modified grand touring) and Group 5 (touring prototypes) cars.
Group A referred to production-derived vehicles limited in terms of power, weight, allowed technology and overall cost. Group A was aimed at ensuring a large number of privately-owned entries in races.
By contrast, Group B had few restrictions on technology, design and the number of cars required for homologation to compete. Weight was unrestricted, high-tech materials were permitted, and there was no limit on power. The category was aimed at car manufacturers by promising outright race victories and the subsequent publicity opportunities without the need for an existing production model.
Group B was initially a very successful concept, with many manufacturers joining the premier World Rally Championship, and increased spectator numbers. But the cost of..."
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You're correct... the replacement for the old order (Group 4,5,6) was the new Group A,B,C and unfortunately as always with history, the myth is what's printed, so we get rally info and little else. Aside from some race results and car files for Porsche 930, BMW M1, 288 GTO, etc., (the usual suspects) I've found little online so far that includes history for development from others marques. Frustrating indeed.Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
Anyone have a nice collection of Motor from the period that can fill in the blanks?
Never own more cars than you can keep charged batteries in...
yeah, all my material from the time is rally based and a bit of F1.
What we need is someone with an extensive collection of books that could reveiw and inform us. Come on Wouter, soemthing for Pieter to contribute ??
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
My guess is that it was banned when Group B rallying went - an 'across the board' rethink of the regulations. I assume it's Mary Rose esque disapearance would be down to a lack of popularity in its day (compared with the rally category) and the fact that the next generation of racers bared little or no relation to previous ones. To use rallying as the example, Delta S4s were replaced with Subaru Legacys!
EDIT: I've just thought of someone I can speak to - will make contact and get back.
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So was Group A supposed to be like Group N today? Mass Production Road cars converted to rally use
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NO.Originally Posted by 2ndclasscitizen
Group A was modified cars. ( used to be called Group 2 )
Group B was anythgin as long as you built 200 of them
Group N was and is standard cars. ( used to be called Group 1 )
Depending on the year and the phase of the moon Group A used to be anything from a minimum of 500 ( hence the Ford RS500 ) to 5,000
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jong/Pages/part5.html descriptions and hassome nice pics of the cars of the Group A era. Shame we still can't find the same for Group B racing
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
Originally Posted by magracer
Nah yeh there were group b LM racers but none of them had a real shot at racing.
Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
Never hered of group A mate thanks for the info.
Originally Posted by Matra et Alpine
I never said it was a rally racer its a LM racer but it just never had a real shot at racing and same with every other Group B LM racer.
http://www.stormloader.com/groupb/index.htmlOriginally Posted by Matra et Alpine
That's all I got.
yeh i know all that but the main reason y i pointed it out is beceause its still quicker then almost every other racing car. 100kmh-2.6 secs, 400m-8.74secsOriginally Posted by Matra et Alpine
and it was capable of 400kmh but obviously porsche changed the gear ratios so it didnt make 400 while racing and it only had 4gears and had no computer assists. Cmon thats pretty fast ey?
Theres a movie on Group B racing called To Fast To Race for the ppl who would want to check it out go download it or steal it if u have to.
I know, THAT is why I pm'ed you suggesting the title change to "Group B racing".Originally Posted by Markie Boy
Even now UCPers are posting GroupB rally info !!!
"A woman without curves is like a road without bends, you might get to your destination quicker but the ride is boring as hell'
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