Jackass Clarkson destroys 911

[Matra et Alpine]

Yes. Where else do you recommend that people practice their skid-control in a safe environment, if not on the track .. the local highway?

Well besides the cheapest -- the local car park at 1am when it's empty.
( I learned my rally snow driving in the Mini in my fathers works car park on Sunday evenings
BUT are you saying part of your instruction does NOT include how to hadnel skids ?
it does in the UK, so maybe it's cultural thing.
Personally I think compulsory skid pans shoudl be included and take friends and daughters to trackdays to teach 'em.
BUT we were discussing MOTORSPORT.
What a professional driver does in a skid is WAY differen tot what Joe Bloggs should be doing. On the road a skid should ALWAYS lead to a gentle throttling off and coming to a halt ... NOT as a racer would do.
It was the contentino that you "learn" from motorsport I disagree over !
Motorsport teaches how to do more motorsport

Pardon me but you clearly don't know jack about how I learned, or what my motoring needs are. Its not self indulgent to master advanced car control for safety, especially on the crap roads I battle with here. I was self-taught btw, no lessons

I meant it in the collective "you"
Are you saygin your motoring lessons and compulsory testign do NOT include how to react to skids and emergencies ?
[quote]Enjoy your teflon frypan? I did, along with the Tang orange-concentrate in my larder. Trillions of $$ of spin-offs, not millions[/quote}
The BS you believed from NASA.
Best to suggest you learn how the Japanese are (were, the yen collaps eprobably nixed some of it!) doing it .... FIRST id the key technologies necessary .. THEN develop ONLY THOSE and still no going to space ... once the world source for these THEN go to space. They had identified 23 key items.
NASA "delivered" by chance ... everyone forgets all the totally useless stuff that wasted lots of money
This was standard message in US management circles 10-15 years ago with gov funded researchers advising NOT to go for big itme snad hopign to spin off cash They took the advice. Go look at "supercomputers" now .... 95% of them are off the shelf components that were DESIGNED FIRST. 20 years ago CRAY were doing unique EVERYTHIGN to build a supercomputer The "new" way.

What the hell does controlling opposite-lock slides on a racetrack (or JC televised sado-wank sessions for morons) have to do with the jap space program for gods sake???

TRYING to explain things.
If you don't want explanations don't ask questions.
I'm getting pissed off at every approach now is question question .. but get a long answer that needs thought and consideration and it's crying in teh milk BS
GO FOLLOW THE TRAIN of the comments.
If you're incapable of followign them then please let me know in future.
For you I'll keep my answers VERY short and simple.

Can you think of a better forum for testing automotive innovations?

Name me ONE innovation that motorsport has brought to yoru "family car" ?
It's not lean burn or low emissions or direct injection or diesel or ... do we NEED to go on ?
yeah fine, The Koenigsegg has a composite tub --- wooo-hooo, the amn in teh street doenst' NEED or want it.
Aluminium alloys are fine -- oh and BTW car racing alloys are derived from aeroplane construction methods.
And so are aero-dynamics !!

According to you I'm suddenly Mary Whitehouse .. so no comment except that all this hi-tech porn must have unhinged your mind - take a pill mate

Tryign to explain POV that seemed to NOT have been understood.
See question above re future interaction.

The type of motorsport >I< do enjoy watching is good clean racing. Same while watching the TV, not like unevolved knuckledraggers who evidently drool over a toffy upper class Brit-twit who descends to smashing up dunger Porsches .. must be a UK thing, as most of JC's defenders on here are a virtual en-mass el-pommo bloc I've noticed

so "unevolved"
Actually you are showign the lowest of mans nasty side -- the inability to understand and accept alternative ways of living !!!
Did you EVER consider it's because it is BRITISH sense of humour.
if you don't liek it DONT WATCH THE PROGRAM AND DONT READ?RESPOND TO COMMENTS ABOUT IT.

Getting to feel like the selfish consumption around here is you expecting me to keep replying to your varigated gibberish

.. getting .. so tired .. losing interest .. must preserve .. sanity .. avoid .. argueboy .. mercy .. hepl .. oops i ment to tpye .. help ..

yeah mate i'm in awe & permit me pls to admire from a (long) distance and like I said the pills in the cupboard but whateva ya reckon

Yeah so am I nota.
I'll avoid you, you avoid me.
TRIED to be "grown up" and give explanations.
So I'll copycat and act the kid and hope you neeed an answer and I'm the only one on the forum able to give it

[KNORR]

What does it say about his attitude toward me? Assuming that I'd be amused by a vandalism spree on one of the world's great cars was a miscalculation. What sort of pathetic tool would even point a camera at that abortion?
I'd be impressed if he fixed the car though!
KNORR

[Vaigra]

haha I love how Sauc3's post just got completely ignored. The boy took time over that too, you mean people

BTW if you don't want to read his post, I'll summarise what he said: Shut up and quit arguing

[The_Canuck]

haha I love how Sauc3's post just got completely ignored. The boy took time over that too, you mean people

but its boooooooooring

[PerfAdv]

haha I love how Sauc3's post just got completely ignored. The boy took time over that too, you mean people

BTW if you don't want to read his post, I'll summarise what he said: Shut up and quit arguing

And it had a bit of everything in it too.

Here's comedy:

"For just 2 dollars a day, YOU can sponsor a Porsche in NEED. Here's Fred, he's a 1967 Porsche 911S coupe. He sits on the street all night, and has to make the trip all the way to work and back every day without a single drop of care. Donate now and YOU can change an attainable sportscar's life, you can make a difference."

[2ndclasscitizen]

I'd like to add something here, don't know if it's been mentioned already as I haven't read the whole thread.

Mythbusters have trashed to classic cars that people would think of exactly the same. An immaculate C4 Corvette that they put 2 dead pigs in for several months, they ended up having to sell the car for parts and it still stunk even after being stripped. And they completely and utterly destroyed a Fiat X1/9, by rear ending it with a semi, then all but squashing it between two semis in a head on. Now I imagine plenty of Corvette owners hated them doing that, and I'll take a guess that a few may have written in complaining. But did anyone here complain? I'm gonna say no. The X1/9? I love those things, I reckon you could build an awesome track/hillclimb car out of one, and you hardly ever see them on the road down under. But I laughed my arse off both times. I love both those cars, and would love to own one or both. I still laughed.

Time to move on people. It could be much worse. People have different senses of humour. Accept it.

[clutch-monkey]

haha I love how Sauc3's post just got completely ignored. The boy took time over that too, you mean people

we try not to listen to him too much

[Sauc3]

but its boooooooooring

One fears the day when a... dare I say it.... NOVEL ever falls into your hands. So many words!

[UCR]

Matra give up.
there all saddo's, they dont know what 'fun' means.

[nota]

Yeah so am I nota.
I'll avoid you, you avoid me.
TRIED to be "grown up" and give explanations.
So I'll copycat and act the kid and hope you neeed an answer and I'm the only one on the forum able to give it

Let's cut through your bull shall we?

Some of us fail to see the appeal of glorifying destruction for its own sake

However you obviously think otherwise and by weird justification you attempt a supposed parallel between the act of blitzing an engine-less car for TV viewers .. against totaling a 911 during a motorsport event. This defective analogy isn't just weak - it is pathetic

You then have the nerve to promenade to me this facile 'logic' of yours as somehow being of 'superior educational benefit' and imply I should be subserviently grateful for your selfless (ceaseless) quest of higher calling to enlighten each and every one of us to your personal level of zen

Naturally these lectures are presented in typical browbeating style
Interspersed for backup is the obligatory manic rambling babble .. tree hugger .. space program .. pornography ..

I do wonder if mania plays a part in your life but really, you ought to get a grip. Or more precisely release said grip and try removing your hand. Alternatively by all means keep tugging it Matra to inflate your delusions of self-granduer. But in any case this chance for me to be deprived in future of all those otherwise-inevitable 'high quality' sermons of yours is a risk I'm (more than) willing to take [/nota]

[The_Canuck]

One fears the day when a... dare I say it.... NOVEL ever falls into your hands. So many words!

yes but novels aren't boring

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

yes but novels aren't boring

Have you ever tried to read We Need To Talk About Kevin??

And as for JC... I respect what he does. He doesn't like the 911. Neither do I particularly, and I laughed my arse off watching that.

I won't even delve into the argument so I don't get confounded by overly large posts and crazy-bad typos...

[Chernaudi]

I've seen the video on You Tube alone by itself and in the orignal "Most Outrageous Jeremy Clarkson Video in the World...Ever" DVD. Looking at the Porsche before Clarkson tried to kill it, it wasn't in the best of shape, and its engine didn't sound healthy.

If Jeremy anihilated a healthy, collectable or even a repairable Porsche 911, I'd just say that he was wasting his and our time. However, it was an old, decrepit, worse for the wear 911 that was probably worth more as scrap than as a fixer.

I don't hear anyone crying foul whenever a Morris Marina is crushed to death beneith a piano on Top Gear. Why? I understand that the 911, inspite of what some decry as its faults (rear engine, etc), is a classic, where as the Marina is a pile of rusty crap built by workers at the old Morris plants in Oxford and Cowley when they weren't on strike.

Is it a matter of pereception? I'll grant you that the Marina/Ital and the Austin Allegro and Leyland Princess, among others, weren't the best built of cars, but they were also seen as common mans' cars, which meant that they were often neglected and abused. The result of that culture is that only about 650-700 Marinas are driven every day in the UK, about 850 Allegros are still driveable, and the Princess is a relatively rare site as well. Only now are such cars being realized as "classics" are they being restored and treated as such. The Morris Marina and Austin Allegro may suck, but they were better than may similar cars of their era built else where.

Italian cars of the '70s were built often out of cheap, recycled, badly rust-proofed steel. But a lot of them are regarded as classics nowadays, but you can't save all of them. Like with the BL cars, a lot of them are now beyond repair and are pretty much write offs, meaning that to restore them would cost way more than to have the car scrapped.

I didn't shead a tear when my Chevrolet Corsica was scrapped earlier this year. It's previous owners didn't do a damn thing it seemed to take care of it, which resulted in many a problem to be fixed at me and my family's expense, the $800 was no where near what it was worth, the unitbody was rusted through in several areas, and it was pretty much scrap. Not to mention that the Pontiac Grand Am it was replaced with was/is a way better car. Poor design and poorer maintance killed the Corsica. Even a Marina was better than it in most areas. Maybe one day, the Corsica may be a classic, but to me, it was friggin' scrap. I would've been honored for JC to destroy or Conan O'Brien to destroy it in his "Conan, blow up my car!" contest.

In short, the 911 is a classic, but the one that Jeremy killed off probably need to be destroyed, as the signs of wear and tear were obvious, and the same must be applied to "commoners'" cars, too. Save them for future generations, but not all can be save, especially if they're beyond saving.

[McReis]

I'm sorry but that just isn't true. Any 911 that is working and driving normally can't be beyond repair. The value of a classic 911 is now enough to justify any deep restoration process.
Top Gear could be a great show but unfortunately irreverence became arrogance. That episode was unnaceptable for any serious classic car enthusiast.

[whiteballz]

There are millions of Porsche's on the road, one car does not make a difference in the scheme of things.

For all we know that Porsche was condemned (like the evo in a later episode)?