What is so good wit Asian Cars?

[Slicks]

S2000, making 250hp from 2.0. RX7, 260hp from 1.3liter turbo charged wankel, and RX8, making 250hp from 1.3 liter NA wankel. Wat does big american V8s does? 8.0 making 500hp?

You are seriously misinformed.
Read all the crap we were discussing above how hp/l means nothing.
Next, forced induction is displacement technically.
And third, the rotary's displacement is measured differently than a piston engine, if I remember right, when measured the same its around 3-4 liters.

[whiteballz]

If im not mistaken the rotary is technically german (the japanese didnt create it).

technically your correct, henry wankel created the general design. but the germans failed to make it reliable, efficient enough to be viable and actually workable in production, score 1 to japan.
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talking about weight and size of a 5 litre V8 or w/e, there is no way in hell i want a V8 in my silvia, why? fuel consumption, sound, and performance.

a V8 instead of the SR20 would be IMHO downgrading the car. its not its style to hold a V8 under that bonnet, not to mention the front end would become way to heavy, and thats if the engine even fits in there...
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on one final note, i do see your point, its just i disagree.

[Rockefella]

technically your correct, henry wankel created the general design. but the germans failed to make it reliable, efficient enough to be viable and actually workable in production, score 1 to japan.

The story of Japan's life. Copy Germany and try to perfect it. I like Japanese cars, but their tactics are dishonorable. Now that they've copied Mercedes/BMW/Audi to a T, they've run out of ideas.

Here comes the: STFU you idiot, you're just jealous because you don't have a 2JZ in your car.

[whiteballz]

haha, perhaps not the idiot part, but you ARE jealous!

where is the dishonorable tactic? i dont see it.

[Slicks]

technically your correct, henry wankel created the general design. but the germans failed to make it reliable, efficient enough to be viable and actually workable in production, score 1 to japan.

From what IVe seen it isnt exactly "reliable." Seems to need rebuilds every 60,000 miles...

talking about weight and size of a 5 litre V8 or w/e, there is no way in hell i want a V8 in my silvia, why? fuel consumption, sound, and performance.

a V8 instead of the SR20 would be IMHO downgrading the car. its not its style to hold a V8 under that bonnet, not to mention the front end would become way to heavy, and thats if the engine even fits in there...

I guess ignorance is bliss?
LS1 swaps are VERY common in 240SXs, a lot of the drifting guys are getting into it, there is atleast 1 guy I know of in D1 that has a S13 LS1. I know the LS1 is lighter than the KA, and I think it may be lighter than the SR20 as well. And the cars retain good balance with the LS1.
In my 3500lbs car my LS1 gets around 30mpg highway, according to my friend who has a SR20 swapped 240SX and 5 speed(basically stock SR20, only has ehxaust) thats a lot better than what he can get. Id imagine in a 2500lbs car and LS1 would do an easy 30mpg+ highway.
Sound? You would rather have the buzzy sound of a 4 cylinder (the SR20 doesnt sound too bad) over a throaty V8?
http://video.ls1tech.com/category/Dy...0da6397881.htm


Yes, its fits, with room to spare... heres an S13
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...x/IMG_0222.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...x/IMG_0211.jpg
Another S13.
http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/8251/dscn03405gs.jpg
LS1tech is filled with threads on 240SX LS1 swaps, many pics and a few vids.

[The_Canuck]

The story of Japan's life. Copy Germany and try to perfect it. I like Japanese cars, but their tactics are dishonorable. Now that they've copied Mercedes/BMW/Audi to a T, they've run out of ideas.

Here comes the: STFU you idiot, you're just jealous because you don't have a 2JZ in your car.

At least they race thier cars and learn. Cough, Cough Koeran and Chinese cars, Cough Cough

[Slicks]

The story of Japan's life. Copy Germany and try to perfect it. I like Japanese cars, but their tactics are dishonorable. Now that they've copied Mercedes/BMW/Audi to a T, they've run out of ideas.

Here comes the: STFU you idiot, you're just jealous because you don't have a 2JZ in your car.

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[whiteballz]

You would rather have the buzzy sound of a 4 cylinder (the SR20 doesnt sound too bad) over a throaty V8?

yes, i do prefer the sound of 4's and 6's to 8's

[Slicks]

yes, i do prefer the sound of 4's and 6's to 8's

Have you heard Fords 4.6 or and LSx IRL?

[Cyco]

So displacement is fuel used now?

Last time I checked - yes. 2 engines running at the sme RMPs and tuned correctly for fuel/air mix the larger will produce more power.

Now to head off your "my V8 is brilliant I doesnt need revs" the LS7 needs the revs to produce the power that the BMW V10 does.

Read all the crap we were discussing above how hp/l means nothing.

Only to you, the rest of the world seems to thing it is a fair measure.

Next, forced induction is displacement technically.

Technically no. Practically yes.

From what IVe seen it isnt exactly "reliable." Seems to need rebuilds every 60,000 miles...

The LS7 engines in the LMES/ALMS Z06s get rebuilt every race - does this make them unreliable?

[Slicks]

Last time I checked - yes. 2 engines running at the sme RMPs and tuned correctly for fuel/air mix the larger will produce more power.

Now to head off your "my V8 is brilliant I doesnt need revs" the LS7 needs the revs to produce the power that the BMW V10 does.

In a perfect world where all engines make their peak power at the same RPM that would work. Too bad this is reality, the BMW V10 makes its peak power at a higher RPM than the LS7.

Only to you, the rest of the world seems to thing it is a fair measure.

The rest of the world? Like the honda forums?

The LS7 engines in the LMES/ALMS Z06s get rebuilt every race - does this make them unreliable?

Show me proof the LS7.R is rebuilt after ever race.

There is a huge difference between NEEDING to be rebuilt, and being rebuilt to keep the power up to spec. The 260hp street engine rotary usually NEEDS to be rebuilt often, ran hard or not if you want a working engine. It wouldnt surprise me that the LS7.R, running near WOT for 24 hours, making 600hp needs a rebuild to make 600hp for the next race.

[clutch-monkey]

are you sure rotaries need to be rebuilt that often? i never hear about it, and we're one of the largest rotary markets in the world. i know the apex seals need to be replaced but the ceramic ones are indestructible..

[Slicks]

are you sure rotaries need to be rebuilt that often? i never hear about it, and we're one of the largest rotary markets in the world. i know the apex seals need to be replaced but the ceramic ones are indestructible..

Just what Ive heard.
That and I have yet to see an RX7 with over 60,000 miles that has not had a rebuild.

[Niko_Fx]

The story of Japan's life. Copy Germany and try to perfect it. I like Japanese cars, but their tactics are dishonorable. Now that they've copied Mercedes/BMW/Audi to a T, they've run out of ideas.

You're just jealous because you don't have 2JZ in your car!!!

[2ndclasscitizen]

In my 3500lbs car my LS1 gets around 30mpg highway, according to my friend who has a SR20 swapped 240SX and 5 speed(basically stock SR20, only has ehxaust) thats a lot better than what he can get. Id imagine in a 2500lbs car and LS1 would do an easy 30mpg+ highway.

And around town? How does it go then? Of course it's going to get better mpg on the highway you idiot, it'd be turning over at half the rpm an SR20 would be at highway cruising speeds. Plus it'd have longer gearing. An SS Commy will do ~9l/100km on the highway, but ~14l/100km around town.