In all fairness to Fleet you should see this mob!Originally Posted by Pando
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I think you described them in the start of your post.
In all fairness to Fleet you should see this mob!Originally Posted by Pando
www.ronaldreagan.com
I think you described them in the start of your post.
"A string is approximately nine long."
Egg Nogg 02-04-2005, 05:07 AM
But Democratic bias doesn't bother you? Or anti-American bias?Originally Posted by Rockefella
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Oh, yeah... the guys you couldn't effectively debate!Originally Posted by crisis
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Fleet, will you ever be able to make a distinction between anti-americanism and critisising America? Furthermore the criticism tries to focus on the activities of the current administration. I very much doubt that Mr. Bush will ever receive the Noble Peace Prize, like Jimmy Carter not so long ago...Originally Posted by Fleet 500
"I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting, but it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously." Douglas Adams
Actually, I was talking about Crisis and his trying to defend Japan.Originally Posted by henk4
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I find sickening your trying to defend the (then enemy) Japan. I think the U.S. was right in using the A-bomb. It's not "blind patriotism," it's my opinion.Originally Posted by crisis
Yeah, see above.See above.
At the cost of how many more lives?Which they would have done without dropping them according to the military people who knew the facts as opposed to the propaganda the American people were taught for years after so they could sleep at night.
That was the problem. We've been through all of this before in another thead. The Japanese were not the type to surrender. All of the votes to surrender were needed and they weren't there.Don’t take that in isolation. The Japanese were defeated according to the military experts of the day. The just needed to surrender.
Except those three I listed. And without their "yes" vote, Japan couldn't surrender.Read the link you expect me to read and you will see that there were Japanese who were prepared to.
Right. President Truman made a "rash" decision without thinking it over.Nor was it desirable to make rash decisions killing thousands of innocent people.
I think you misread. What I posted was accurate... those high-ranking officials were not ready to surrender. I don't know why you twisted that into dropping the bomb!You said Many may have "believed" the Japanese were ready to surrender, but a few notable high-ranking officials were not.” In response to my question about which US military people believed surrender negotiations were already underway.
War Minister Anami, Army Chief of Staff Umezu and the Navy Chief of Staff Toyoda are JAPANESE. As far as I can ascertain they did not vote to drop the bomb!
The final call was for an unconditional surrender.But The Potsdam Proclamation didn’t call for this as you claimed.
I'm saying the Japanese were lucky that the U.S. didn't destroy their entire country.So you think that in the end it would have been fair to hold the entire civilian population, who were not involved in any of these acts, responsible by death for the actions of a portion of the Japanese military?
Likewise the brutal war crimes committed by allied forces should justify all of our fiery deaths as well?
Yeah, "brutal war crimes" (which ones?). I'll remind you that the Japanese started the whole thing in the first place, but you seem to be one of those "blame America for everything" kind of individuals. Sad.
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Hmmm... maybe the U.S. military should treat prisoners like the terrorists do- chop off their fingers and toes, kill them and drag them through the streets... do you like that better? Now you are getting really ridiculous.Originally Posted by crisis
Like I said, you are getting ridiculous. Even a vague comaprison to terrorists means you are not living in reality. If terrorists had nuclear weapons, they would have kept bombing Japan (even with a surrender) and attempted to take over the world. Try to be rational.In our discussion about the US bombing of Hiroshima you suggested that due to the "brutal treatment of prisoners and all of the suffering the Japanese (soldiers) caused, they were lucky that the U.S. requested only an unconditional surrender and didn't turn Japan into one giant crater."Looks like the terrorists have the same philosophy as you.
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It does? I did post that 3 high-ranking Japanese officials refused to surrender even days after the 1st and 2nd bombings.Originally Posted by crisis
All right, enough with this "blind patriotism" garbage. Tell me, Crisis, what have you criticized your country about? Or do you have "blind patriotism?"I am amazed by those who expect so much of everyone else yet can ignore any transgressions on their own countries part out of blind patriotism.
Iraq invaded Kuwait. The U.S. and coalition countries took action and removed Iraq from country and rules were set up (by the U.N.), including a no-fly zone for Iraq to obey. So stop your whining. I'm getting tired of you defending enemies like Iraq and Japan.
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Extreme! Lol. You are wrong and you know it.Originally Posted by Pando
Yeah, I'm sure extreme... supporting the removal of Saddam, the liberation of Iraq & Afghanistan, working toward a democracy for both of those countries and taking terroism seriously and fighting it. Real extreme!
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Originally Posted by Fleet 500Originally Posted by Fleet 500Originally Posted by Fleet 500
Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
– Hunter Thompson
The no-fly zone was created by the U.S., the U.K., and France to protect humanitarian operations in Northern Iraq and Shiite muslims in the south. What was that "stupid?"Originally Posted by IBrake4Rainbows
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I'm confused, too. Confused as to why Crisis keeps criticizing how the U.S. fought WWII, yet doesn't criticize the country that started the Pacific invasion.Originally Posted by 2ndclasscitizen
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that is a relatively minor issue. It is your Pavlovian approach that any criticism or questioning of American activities in general is seen as equal to anti-americanism.Originally Posted by Fleet 500
"I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting, but it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously." Douglas Adams
Because I don't think the actions of Japanese is at discussion at the moment, more the actions of the US in dropping 2 nuclear weapons, killing hundreds of thousands of innocents, on a country that was nearly at the brink of surrender, and weakened enough for a normal bombing campaign to finish them off.Originally Posted by Fleet 500
Japan's actions in WW2 were completely deplorable, but that never justifies the pointless killing of thousands of innocents. An eye for an eye isn't particularly Christian, considering how the US was founded by Christians and its laws are based on Christian values and the current President is a devout member of a quite religious Christian church.
Faster, faster, faster, until the thrill of speed overcomes the fear of death...
– Hunter Thompson
it is not about what you are supporting, it is the way in which you think those goals can be best achieved.Originally Posted by Fleet 500
"I find the whole business of religion profoundly interesting, but it does mystify me that otherwise intelligent people take it seriously." Douglas Adams
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