NASA building evacuated amid gun reports

[drakkie]

The phrase you're looking for is "the West Indies," which typically refers to the Caribbean.

In that case I'll have to correct my former history teacher

[Mr.Tiv]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Indies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_India

Or you could pay more attention.

[hightower99]

Almost everybody here recognizes their back ground, if you ask someone in Canada their background 90% won't say Canadian. Canada and the U.S are nations of immigrants. Canada got the better ones

It's pretty hard to actually be a canadian in that sense.

What I meant was that if you asked someone who is a visible minority and is a canadian citizen they would say they are canadian and then tell you where they are from. Try doing that in the US and they say "I am an African-American"

I haven't heard anybody say they are african-canadian or japanese-canadian.

Thewy are all just canadians, from all over the world

[Fleet 500]

Now what do you guys think, makes them so bloody ? We have agression on schools, everyone does, but what makes the effects so much larger ? One solution it seems IMO. The gun laws... But abolishing rifles is offcourse a pretty big step to take for you guys, it'd require the bankruptcy of many powerful people. As you can see this will probably never happen..

Just thinking out loud now...

The problem at the school (and at Virginia Tech) was that there was gun control. The murderer wasn't going to shoot his gun(s) at a police station, but at a place where other people were defenseless.

This is explained well in a letter printed in a local newpaper a few days ago:
"In 2002, there was a shooting at the Appalachian School of Law. Someone open fire, but the difference was that an off-duty police officer went and got his gun and subdued the shooter. If only someone at Virginia Tech had been able to take out the shooter. But Virginia Tech is a gun-free zone. The criminals can get the guns; the lawful among us need guns for defense. Gun control keeps guns away from people who obey the law and need a gun for self-defense. What needs to be understood is: No defense is a lousy defense."
- Judy Herbst, Beverly Hills

[Pando]

The problem at the school (and at Virginia Tech) was that there was gun control. The murderer wasn't going to shoot his gun(s) at a police station, but at a place where other people were defenseless.

This is explained well in a letter printed in a local newpaper a few days ago:
"In 2002, there was a shooting at the Appalachian School of Law. Someone open fire, but the difference was that an off-duty police officer went and got his gun and subdued the shooter. If only someone at Virginia Tech had been able to take out the shooter. But Virginia Tech is a gun-free zone. The criminals can get the guns; the lawful among us need guns for defense. Gun control keeps guns away from people who obey the law and need a gun for self-defense. What needs to be understood is: No defense is a lousy defense."
- Judy Herbst, Beverly Hills

One brief question do you genuinely think that if everyone carries guns the world would be a safer place?

[drakkie]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Indies
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_India

Or you could pay more attention.

I was more thinking of this organisation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_West_India_Company

The area where the company could operate consisted of West Africa (the area between the Tropic of Cancer and Cape of Good Hope) and the Americas, which included the Pacific Ocean and the eastern part of New Guinea. The intended purpose of the charter was to eliminate competition, particularly Spanish or Portuguese, between the various trading posts established by the merchants. The company became instrumental in the Dutch colonization of the Americas.

[Fleet 500]

One brief question do you genuinely think that if everyone carries guns the world would be a safer place?

I don't know. In the U.S., yes. Because there are already a lot of gun in society. I think would vary from country to country.

[drakkie]

The problem at the school (and at Virginia Tech) was that there was gun control. The murderer wasn't going to shoot his gun(s) at a police station, but at a place where other people were defenseless.

This is explained well in a letter printed in a local newpaper a few days ago:
"In 2002, there was a shooting at the Appalachian School of Law. Someone open fire, but the difference was that an off-duty police officer went and got his gun and subdued the shooter. If only someone at Virginia Tech had been able to take out the shooter. But Virginia Tech is a gun-free zone. The criminals can get the guns; the lawful among us need guns for defense. Gun control keeps guns away from people who obey the law and need a gun for self-defense. What needs to be understood is: No defense is a lousy defense."
- Judy Herbst, Beverly Hills

But who decides who is a lawful person. One could have called Chow a lawful person years ago. That wouldn't have changed the situation now, because he'd still be having a gun.

Following the French phylosophy of Liberté, Egalité et Fraternité everyone would have to have the right for a gun. In practice there would be someone that would have to control this.. That person would have to be impartial. But since power creates abuse, there would be groups that would be suppressed on purpose likely.

Very thin lines... Without guns for everyone out there are problems enough in the world. Imagine how that'd be with a deadly weapon at everyone's demand....

Sorry i'm shooting from thing to thing... Just thinking out loud again...

[Pando]

I don't know. In the U.S., yes. Because there are already a lot of gun in society. I think would vary from country to country.

So if there was a way of getting rid of a number of the guns circulating in your country you might change your mind about that as well?

[Fleet 500]

So if there was a way of getting rid of a number of the guns circulating in your country you might change your mind about that as well?

There is no way to do that. Criminals (especially desperate ones) will always be able to obtain a gun, illegally, of course. Or they will make their own guns if they have to.
And how can you get rid of the guns circulating in the country? Criminals are not going to happily walk up to a gun drop-off place!

[drakkie]

There is no way to do that. Criminals (especially desperate ones) will always be able to obtain a gun, illegally, of course. Or they will make their own guns if they have to.

But not getting them at the supermarket will change they availability to them drastically ! it will become a lot less desirable to get a firearm and use it. I tbhink it will stop a lot of the small calibre criminals from obtaining and using it.

[Fleet 500]

But who decides who is a lawful person. One could have called Chow a lawful person years ago. That wouldn't have changed the situation now, because he'd still be having a gun.

No one can predict person's behavior 10 years in the future. No system is perfect.

Imagine how that'd be with a deadly weapon at everyone's demand....

Imagine how that'd be with a deadly weapon at only a criminal's demand. Oh, wait... we don't have to imagine- it happened last Monday. Just imagine if one of those students could have defended him or herself.

[Fleet 500]

But not getting them at the supermarket will change they availability to them drastically ! it will become a lot less desirable to get a firearm and use it. I tbhink it will stop a lot of the small calibre criminals from obtaining and using it.

There are already hundreds, even thousands, of laws on the books regarding the sale of guns.
Again, more gun control laws affects the law-abiding people more than the criminal.

[Coventrysucks]

One brief question do you genuinely think that if everyone carries guns the world would be a safer place?

Guns solve everything.

Haven't you been watching all these documentaries coming out of Hollywood?

WWII - solved by Americans with Guns.

And if they can stop a war, they can damn well stop commies from shooting up our precious children in out outstanding universities & schools!!!

Come on everyone, Salute the flag, or if a flag isn't available, a picture of Bush and SING!!!!

#O say, can you see, by the gun’s early light,
What so proudly we shot at the twilight’s last gleaming,
Whose broad stripes and bright stars, through the perilous gunfight,
O’er the ramparts we watched, were so gallantly shooting?
And the rockets’ red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our gun was still there;
O say, does that gun yet shoot
O’er the land of the free at the commies?#

etc...

[Pando]

There is no way to do that. Criminals (especially desperate ones) will always be able to obtain a gun, illegally, of course. Or they will make their own guns if they have to.
And how can you get rid of the guns circulating in the country? Criminals are not going to happily walk up to a gun drop-off place!

Obviously it couldn't be done over night. But pulling the breaks on the factories pumping more guns into your society might be a start...? Not many criminals have the capacity to make guns themselves especially reliable, functioning, deadly firearms. Cutting the supplies, establishing nationwide food/cash/? for guns programs and making sure confiscated weapons are destroyed would obviously cut the amount of illegal guns over time.