Peugeot 406 Coupé as first car?

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

Um... it takes 300ºC to extract diesel, but 150ºC to extract petrol from crude oil- how does that make petrol harder to produce than diesel?

[drakkie]

So you're comparing a GTi to base models? Great logic...

Kitty still looks pretty sharp to me. She's offended by your comments, and will run you over if she ever makes a trip to the Netherlands.

I am sorry, but i don't understand what you mean from the Kitty thing onwards. Back to English class i guess

Read this.

They are for the main part natural gasses. The amount caused by humans is tiny in comparison.

I know diesel comes lower in the refinery chain than petrol, but since when was aeroplane fuel (the lowest) cleaner than diesel?

See other post.

Don't patronise me. I know fully well how a particulate filter works, I've been looking into getting a diesel car for quite some time to try and work out the advtanges. As far as I can see, you need to maintain a particulate filter more than a catalytic converter (presumably to clean out all the crap produced by a diesel engine). I do appreciate diesels, but I will not accept that they are 'cleaner' than petrol engines, because they have different ways of polluting. They cannot be compared like-for-like- petrols rev high, with more efficient power outputs (probably because of the more refined fuel). Diesels seem to need a turbo to be acceptable- have you ever looked at the power figure for the 1.7SDI diesel engine? It's nowhere near the natune output of a 1.7 petrol engine, such as the Yamaha 1.7 in the Ford Puma. I know both are tuned differently, but the disadvantage in the SDI is obvious.

What one finds a disadvantage, the other finds an advantage. Doing less revs is much more comfortable to drive for example The maintenance on the particle filters is usually about every 150.000 km's AFAIK. It's a miracle if your exhaust survives that in the first place..

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

I am sorry, but i don't understand what you mean from the Kitty thing onwards. Back to English class i guess

Kitty is my 206. She's very touchy. You still haven't addressed your own comparison of the 205 GTi to the base model Peugeots.

They are for the main part natural gasses. The amount caused by humans is tiny in comparison.

Yes, and so are many of the gases produced by petrols- I heard on the radio that all oil-powered machines produce less than 12% of the world's greenhouse gases. So yeah... next...

See other post.

Right back at ya!

What one finds a disadvantage, the other finds an advantage. Doing less revs is much more comfortable to drive for example The maintenance on the particle filters is usually about every 150.000 km's AFAIK. It's a miracle if your exhaust survives that in the first place..

Er... my parents are driving a 1.4 Honda Civic that still has its original clutch and exhaust after just about 90,000 miles- that's 144,000km

And if you wouldn't mind addressing the efficiency issues I've presented...

[drakkie]

Um... it takes 300ºC to extract diesel, but 150ºC to extract petrol from crude oil- how does that make petrol harder to produce than diesel?

I think you need to change these numbers mate

Petrol is a lot purer than diesel. In the distilling columns filled with crude oil diesel is taken at the 3rd or 4th "dish" or extraction point. Petrol is the 2nd from the top. There are about 12-15 in each column. Petrol needs multiple columns to end up as the correct Octane number. Diesel only needs one stage of further refining.

Why I know all this you must be thinking by now ? Two reasons. My graddad was Chief Inspector at the Shell refinery nearby and taught me a lot about it in my childhood years. And now my best friend does a education specialised in these things. I hear quite some things about it

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

I think you need to change these numbers mate

Petrol is a lot purer than diesel. In the distilling columns filled with crude oil diesel is taken at the 3rd or 4th "dish" or extraction point. Petrol is the 2nd from the top. There are about 12-15 in each column. Petrol needs multiple columns to end up as the correct Octane number. Diesel only needs one stage of further refining.

Why I know all this you must be thinking by now ? Two reasons. My graddad was Chief Inspector at the Shell refinery nearby and taught me a lot about it in my childhood years. And now my best friend does a education specialised in these things. I hear quite some things about it

[henk4]

because the natural yield of petrol from an average API crude oil is far less than the production of middle distillates, like gasoil and kerosene. To produce more petrol a secondary technique, (cracking) is required...

[Piacki_117]

Seriously. If you can afford to buy, maintain and insure a 406 Coupe, do it.

Actually, I think it will be the main problem...

You'll be driving a style Icon and no doubt get some attention

Yeah, that was the 2.0 was made for : a car which looks fast but which is relatively cheap to maintain.

[Ferrer]

IWAARS6 and drakkie, go and find yoursleves an Alfa Romeo GTV6 and stop complaining about which fuel is destiled hotter or what do particulate filters do...

[IWantAnAudiRS6]

IWAARS6 and drakkie, go and find yoursleves an Alfa Romeo GTV6 and stop complaining about which fuel is destiled hotter or what do particulate filters do...

If it hasn't fallen apart, I would love to will any Alfa V6 do..?

[Ferrer]

If it hasn't fallen apart, I would love to will any Alfa V6 do..?

Yes, but rear drive scores bonus points.

I saw a red one for advertised for 4,000 € the other day. Altough not as tempting as the '89 Maserati Biturbo SI for 7,000 €...

[Waugh-terfall]

205GTi lacked pizzaz!? Are you crazy, it looked fantastic! especially in metalic blue! My Dad's sister absolutely adored her 1.9. and I'm pretty sure my Dad's brother loved his. Don't know what Dan's Dad thought of his... He flipped his mid corner...

...And I've driven the mighty 1.9TDi from VAG, which had most of the power between 2,000 and 3,000 rpm- not quite the same as the 3,000-6,000 I get from my humble 206... ...

Huh? I put my foot to the floor in 3rd at 3,500rpm and not alot happened, I would've thought the powerband was 4,000rpm+ that's about what it was in our old 205 I think, same engine is it not?

And Ruim, do you mean the trumpet like tailpipe where it suddenly gets really open as it exits through the bumper? Noticed that on the Head of English's 306Diesel at school.

[Revo]

I saw a red one for advertised for 4,000 € the other day. Altough not as tempting as the '89 Maserati Biturbo SI for 7,000 €...

Ferrer, do yourself a nice birthday present - sell the Mini and join us in the Italian camp.

[Ingolstadt]

You must be joking...

That's what I thought. The 407 Coupé is beautiful in a totally different way.

The 407 Coupe is just VULGAR in my opinion. Trying too hard

Peugeot 407 Coupe
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Peugeot 406 Coupe

And offcourse you should definately not forgot that a diesel is much easier to drive for an inexperienced driver You won't believe how my first drive in a petrol went after doing all my lessons in a diesel

Exactly, lower inertia and it's harder to stall a diesel. I know where my money's going now!

Kids....

[drakkie]

Yes, but rear drive scores bonus points.

I saw a red one for advertised for 4,000 € the other day. Altough not as tempting as the '89 Maserati Biturbo SI for 7,000 €...

Actually I have been looking at some 75 V6's. The insurance of 4x what i pay now and the state of the cars in my budget range put me off of it.

Kids....

What ? You got to agree on these points Offcourse you'll learn petrol after a while, I rarely stall it now (more wheelspin off the light )... But diesel is something I miss in traffic jams, which I encounter atleast once every time I drive.

[Ferrer]

What ? You got to agree on these points Offcourse you'll learn petrol after a while, I rarely stall it now (more wheelspin off the light )... But diesel is something I miss in traffic jams, which I encounter atleast once every time I drive.

I drive a petrol car and I've never had a problem with traffic jams or city driving.