219mph LP640 on Freeway in Arizona!

[pat_ernzen]

Calling this attempted murder/manslaughter is just ridiculous. Seriously.

[Sledgehammer]

I think as far as the act itself, is criminal recklessness.

"...criminal recklessness means that the actor creates an unreasonable and substantial risk of death or great bodily harm to another human being and the actor is aware of that risk."

Wisconsin does not have manslaughter charges, so I am unable to help clarify that part. Is intent a necessary part for manslaughter? If it is, it would be a stretch to find him guilty because im sure he did not intend to be the cause of a vehicular homicide (manslaughter).

[werty]

Werty.....you're sounding very defensive here....were you the driver?

Dentist to porn webmaster...wonder which provided the money for the car?

lol, if I had an lp640 I wouldnt be wasting my time arguing about it on the internet, I'd be driving it

[kigango123]

If I had an lp640 I wouldnt be wasting my time arguing about it on the internet, I'd be driving it

QFT

[F1_Master]

lol, if I had an lp640 I wouldnt be wasting my time arguing about it on the internet, I'd be driving it

That's not his point though. Why should this guy just be let off just because no one was hurt?

[2ndclasscitizen]

in our legal system there is a difference between murder and manslaughter. Murder is considered to be premeditated, while manslaughter is done during the heat of the moment. The result for the victim is the same, yet the punishment levels for manslaughter are lower than for murder.
Because of this subtle difference we can speak of attempted manslaughter, even though this may sound strange to people who do not have this difference embedded in their legal system.

In Australia manslaughter is applicable when there was no intent to kill at all. So if I was in a punch up with someone and they fell, knocked their head and died, that is manslaughter. I didn't mean to kill them, but had been meaning to cause injury. So attempted manslaughter would imply some form intent to kill the other person, which be murder.

And it's quite clear that the driver had no intent to hurt anyone, and was being careful. If you listen to the video, at the start of the first run you can hear someone on a 2-way radio telling him the road is clear, so he obviously had people watching the road for him. And at the end, the driver says he slowed down when he saw other traffic, rather than ripping past at 200mph+.

[werty]

That's not his point though. Why should this guy just be let off just because no one was hurt?

What did he do is a better question. Did he speed? I have no idea, it could all be computer generated. I myself have made a phony vid showing my vehicle driving faster than possible...with a nitro car for engine sound...its not hard at all to do.

Was that even the 202 loop? I didnt see any clearly marked signs? The only evidence is a youtube video....nothing can be proven from a youtube video!

Thats why he should be let off the hook. No evidence

I see this as the cops and media harassing an single individual, and letting off hundreds of others who clearly show there faces and roads signs when they speed or race. This is getting ridiculous!

[kingofthering]

Is intent a necessary part for manslaughter? If it is, it would be a stretch to find him guilty because im sure he did not intend to be the cause of a vehicular homicide (manslaughter).

That really depends. If all the pieces fall into place for him, he might get let off the hook, but if the judge is a hard-ass, he'll get his ass chewed out.

With that said, I don't condone this behavior or worship this guy for this, but if I had a Lamborghini, I'd probably do something similar, just not at those speeds.

[kingofthering]

In Australia manslaughter is applicable when there was no intent to kill at all. So if I was in a punch up with someone and they fell, knocked their head and died, that is manslaughter. I didn't mean to kill them, but had been meaning to cause injury. So attempted manslaughter would imply some form intent to kill the other person, which be murder.

This is a bit off topic, but interestingly I heard a few members of the Williams team got hit with manslaughter charges after Senna's fatal crash. Apparently that counts as manslaughter in Italy...

[NSXType-R]

yea i know all that. but I dont think they will be able to convict him of anything...especially off a youtube clip...in his defense...anything can be made up these days...you never know

I hope nothing happens to him...I love seeing somebody use there supercar

Yeah, I don't think you can testify against yourself using your own video.

I could be wrong though.

[Sledgehammer]

....nothing can be proven from a youtube video!

Teenage driver faces charges over 140mph YouTube video | 24dash.com - Communities

College Student Faces Sedition Charges Over YouTube Video

Great Britain: Man nicked by YouTube video (Police to charge speeder based upon video he made)

winnipegsun.com - Winnipeg News - Racing charges

Just a few to get you to think again.

[werty]

Just a few to get you to think again.

in all of those cases, the people filmed there actual faces

and none of them happened in the USA

so let me rethink that statement. You shouldnt be able to prove anything from a youtube video....at least not in America

Also, for the ones involving racing. The people filmed other cars and street signs. Which means there were actual witnesses. Without witnesses for Mr. Lambo in Arizona...I dont think he will get charged.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

in our legal system there is a difference between murder and manslaughter. Murder is considered to be premeditated, while manslaughter is done during the heat of the moment. The result for the victim is the same, yet the punishment levels for manslaughter are lower than for murder.
Because of this subtle difference we can speak of attempted manslaughter, even though this may sound strange to people who do not have this difference embedded in their legal system.

Do you guys have a separate Pre-meditated murder charge ? or is it just called murder?

That's probably the biggest difference.

[Sledgehammer]

Do you guys have a separate Pre-meditated murder charge ? or is it just called murder?

That's probably the biggest difference.

Their are several. Conspiracy and attempted homicide are two that come to mind right away. Homicide gets divided up into various felony classes.

1st degree intentional homicide is pre-meditated without a (heat-of-passion) element.
2nd degree is reckless homicide ex. shooting at someone but trying to miss
3rd degree is negligent homicide ex. leaving a loaded gun at home with small children.

Homicide (murder) differs from manslaughter. Manslaughter is often plea bargained by the defense. It often includes exigent circumstances. One example is coming home and finding your wife in bed with another man and you killing him. Situations of shockingly high emotional levels do get consideration in the court. Distract attorney’s need to prove a set of elements (such as intent, which can take place in an instant) during trial and they are sometimes less than solid which is where going from homicide to manslaughter plea's come into play.

Fortunately, each state has its own statutes defining what is considered homicide and manslaughter. To any that are interested just P.M. me and I can give a more in-depth difference, I am tired and sick of pushing people out of the snow. It seems that even in WI people always forget how to drive during the summer.

[IBrake4Rainbows]

It's the Planning or Intent element that comes into it mostly that differentiates between Murder and Manslaughter.

I still don't think this counts as anything more than reckless driving. If he'd crashed, chances are it'd be Grievous Bodily harm or whatever bulls**t charges there are these days.