Last edited by Matra et Alpine; 02-12-2008 at 04:41 PM.
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Undoubtedly, but those breakthroughs probably could have been made otherwise and for a lower price if the money was allocated in different ways.
Hell, you Americans could even have universal health care instead - something far superior to the quality of life of the citizens of the US than any of the advancements made from the space race.
Still billions and billions to provide ALL the energy.
But no need to have such a massive one-step plan and so it'll likley start small in the Abu Dhabi initiative.
Figures talked about is that current methods can deliver electricity power equal to the energy in a barrel of oil for nearly HALF the cost.
I'm guessing that getting it from the deserts to the major consumers woudl be a problem that hasn't been addressed yet
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m"Probably" isn't good enough for some things.
For instance, some of the things invented have been:
- Medical imaging. NASA developed ways to process signals from spacecraft to produce clearer images. This led the way to MRI scans... a very useful medcial advance. Do you think we should have waited until it was "probably" discovered by another way... while in the meantime, many patients could have been diagnosed and treated for various illnesses?
- Firefighter equipment. Fire fighters wear suits made of fire resistant fabric developed for use in space suits.
- Fire detectors. First used in the Earth orbiting space station Skylab (launched back in 1973) to help detect toxic vapors. Now used in most homes and most other buildings to warn people of fire. It has saved many lives.
- Kidney dialysis machines were developed as a result of a NASA developed chemical process that could remove toxic waste from used dialysis fluid.
- CAT scanner. Searches the human body for tumors or other abnormalities.
Last edited by Fleet 500; 02-12-2008 at 02:45 AM.
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Fair enough. That is significant. I was just saying that if that money was directly filtered to for example there may well have been similar breakthroughs or different breakthroughs - possibly even more signifigant. Since it's exception, NASA has spent more than 360 billion dollars (1996 dollars that is) - of that money, how much actually benefited mankind directly? Cost effectiveness is what I'm arguing here. A lot of that money went into developing technology that is useful - but not useful in a widescale way to humanity - imagine all the rocket money alone used - what do rockets do to help us in day to day activities? Pretty extraneous I think.
Odd, MRI scans pre-dated all of that.
The US Navy DID highlight the possibility of using nuclear resonance to view body internals.
It's an interesting study as I remember the controversy when the Nobel prize was given to a Brit and an American and missed out one of the private industry key developers
Fire resistant fabric existed before space program- Firefighter equipment. Fire fighters wear suits made of fire resistant fabric developed for use in space suits.
Yes, modern suits use materials developed in space program, but DID exist before and the need was there anyway and COULD have been developed.
Wow, took a long time for George Darby invention in the early 1900s to get there- Fire detectors. First used in the Earth orbiting space station Skylab (launched back in 1973)
Granted, ionisation detection .. but again there was a patent in 1969 for HOIME USE ... so another pre-dating "first" use.
Wow, so the Glaswegian Thomas Graham description of how to perform dialysis in 1854 took even LONGER than the smoke detector ?- Kidney dialysis machines were developed as a result of a NASA developed chemical process that could remove toxic waste from used dialysis fluid.
Oops, an Italian engineers proposal in the 1930s and then South African physicist published proposals in 1960s at the same time as British electronics engineer Godfrey Newbold Hounsfield, unaware of Cormack's idea or papers, also imagined combining multiple X-ray measurements to obtain a detailed, three-dimensional image of the body's internal organs and in 1967 developed his own mathematics to work out the principles of the CT scanner. When computer technology had advanced far enough to implement Hounsfield's idea, EMI, the electrical company where he worked, built a prototype CT scanner. In 1972, EMI introduced a commercial version, which was hailed by the radiological community as a giant leap forward in medical imaging.- CAT scanner. Searches the human body for tumors or other abnormalities.
Not knocking NASA or the many advances it funded and improvements.
BUT making claims that ignore the facts that these were all advancing elsewhere in the world NOT funded by NASA is not very balanced.
In the modern world of "image matters" all companies and organsiations claim "they developed" when in most cases they "improved" or "funded"
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Gave me a laugh Fleet.
Please, NOT knocking NASA ... only deflating the "it was all down to NASA" mindset that pervaded the PR
http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinfaq.htm Thankfully some of it being corrected !!
So can we put NASA aside now ? If anyeon REALLY wants to find out if they did do something then Spinoff Database is a good search toolOriginally Posted by Spinoff
Last edited by Matra et Alpine; 02-12-2008 at 03:14 AM.
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That money would have probably gone leaps and bounds further it it was applied directly to the fields mentioned. If 360 billion dollars more in research was given to universities across the States over 50 years, imagine the breakthroughs that could have been made.
I'm sure warfare is responsible for many technological advances but I don't approve of the development and maintenance of a military for these advances.
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I suggest you take it up from the message board I was at...
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They may not have made the same discoveries, but they may have made other ones that are comparable in degree of impact on human life, and quite possibly more as there would probably be more efficiency as they are directly in the fields as opposed to obtusely when it comes to space.
Well, I was just saying if that money had been put elsewhere what may have happened, I think it isn't unreasonable to say you;d get more bang for your buck and more bang in general.
I can't say for certain, but you can't say for certain that more progress would have been made if the money was spent elsewhere.
This is only speculation I admit based on educated guesses and extrapolation - unfortunately with any sort of alternate history/reality scenario, we are bound by what actually happened; the alternate scenario exists only as a vague cloud of possibility.
That's not to say that based on some suppositions that we can't draw reasonable conclusions.
No thanks Fleet.
I didn't take their post and put it here, you did.
It's mostly wrong, you can take it up with them as we've clearly shwon it's BS.
Oh and to take another example "ear thermometer" -- MORE BS ... the steel industry has been using that technique since the 60s ( possibly earlier, but I saw one at Ravenscraig when I was a kid in the 60s !!
So, please let's not get other forums involved. Either stand up for what you posted with facts or accept that the post in the other forumj is in the main erroneous.
IN fact I did look at a few other posts and you've got the whoel range there from "NASA is wonderful, applie pie and mom's home cooking, luv America. yo it's the best" (NOT a direct quotation) to "NASA is great because large government spending in large government bodies is good for America" - phew not even us Euro-lefties would buy into that one
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