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    More controversy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
    More controversy...

    Chevy Volt?
    This may be better suited in the concept category. I'll let David make the final decision.. he's taking the forefront for (S)COTY.
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    Chevy Colbalt SS. From everything that I have read, it is an excellent car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sledgehammer View Post
    Chevy Colbalt SS. From everything that I have read, it is an excellent car.
    No kidding. That lap it turned for Car and Driver was great. I'd have preferred that the Neon SRT4 had stayed alive, but ths works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rockefella View Post
    This may be better suited in the concept category. I'll let David make the final decision.. he's taking the forefront for (S)COTY.
    Well wasn't the production version presented some weeks ago?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
    Well wasn't the production version presented some weeks ago?

    The Volt is a marketing gimmick to help pull GM's arse out of the fire...make them look like they're in the game. If the Volt was a production car it'd be on the showroom floor right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sledgehammer View Post
    Chevy Colbalt SS. From everything that I have read, it is an excellent car.
    True but there are not that many compared to the Cobalt XFE which is selling well. So is the new Malibu.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
    More controversy...

    Chevy Volt?
    Well okay. So far it is only a concept, and it IS intended for production, so according to my own rules it is eligible.

    It's a bit of a stretch though as its going to enter production in 2011. But fine, Albert "Loophole" Ferrer
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    So what counts as American? Do Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, Scion count?

    If those don't because they were owned by JP companies, does Mazda count since until very recently it was controlled by Ford and made the American cars in the U.S., even sharing chassis and engines with Fords?
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    Quote Originally Posted by digitalcraft View Post
    So what counts as American? Do Acura, Lexus, Infiniti, Scion count?

    If those don't because they were owned by JP companies, does Mazda count since until very recently it was controlled by Ford and made the American cars in the U.S., even sharing chassis and engines with Fords?
    Let's not make it overly complicated shall we.

    I'd say Acura/Lexus/Infiniti and Scion count as American brands.

    Mazda remains Japanese.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisetdavid26 View Post
    I'd say Acura/Lexus/Infiniti and Scion count as American brands.
    They are japanese owned with japanese engineering and in some cases with japanese production.

    I'd say that despite the fact some are eminently US-focused, doesn't make them American.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
    They are japanese owned with japanese engineering and in some cases with japanese production.

    I'd say that despite the fact some are eminently US-focused, doesn't make them American.
    Try to find an Acura in Japan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisetdavid26 View Post
    Try to find an Acura in Japan.
    You can. For instance it's called Honda Accord.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrer View Post
    You can. For instance it's called Honda Accord.
    Oh god, you really wanted to make my life a misery today huh?

    I think you haven't quite grasped the fact I am sorting out manufacturers according to their badges, I ruled Acura as American and Honda as Japanese. It doesn't matter if the car is produced in various markets with a different badge. For example, Opel/Vauxhall Astra = European, Saturn Astra = American. It may be entirely European, but it is sold in America, and branded as an American brand.

    I'm just trying to avoid loopholes, and you seem quite incline to find all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fisetdavid26 View Post
    Oh god, you really wanted to make my life a misery today huh?

    I think you haven't quite grasped the fact I am sorting out manufacturers according to their badges, I ruled Acura as American and Honda as Japanese. It doesn't matter if the car is produced in various markets with a different badge. For example, Opel/Vauxhall Astra = European, Saturn Astra = American. It may be entirely European, but it is sold in America, and branded as an American brand.

    I'm just trying to avoid loopholes, and you seem quite incline to find all of them.
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