The world is upside down

[clutch-monkey]

I feel that there are actually some (yes, maybe 5%) of Ferrari drivers that can drive.

I feel that the percentage of "drivers" of Lamborghinis is much less however; even more than Ferraris, I feel that they are just used to drop panties and impress friends and strangers.

Their lack of a manual makes perfect sense to me.

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This.
Many of the "real" drivers who buy Ferraris are racing them anyways, and want the flappy paddle for the performance edge.

there is no performance edge or indeed much racing at all for lamborghini's, therefore they are only for fun, and therefore manuals.

[wwgkd]

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there is no performance edge or indeed much racing at all for lamborghini's, therefore they are only for fun, and therefore manuals.

It;s more of a flamboyant whoohoo look at me fun rather than a driving fun. If I wanted flamboyant whoohoo look at me fun I'd do it in something cheaper, and probably in bad taste.

[pimento]

It;s more of a flamboyant whoohoo look at me fun rather than a driving fun. If I wanted flamboyant whoohoo look at me fun I'd do it in something cheaper, and probably in bad taste.

A hawaiian shirt?

[Kitdy]

there is no performance edge or indeed much racing at all for lamborghini's, therefore they are only for fun, and therefore manuals.

Semi-autos are easier though, and require less effort, which - for rich business people and celebrities - is more important than purity, fun, heritage, or anything like that.

[henk4]

I think all current Porsche, Ferrari and Lambo GT racecars run sequential, semi automatic gearboxes....no manuals at all.

[Kitdy]

I think all current Porsche, Ferrari and Lambo GT racecars run sequential, semi automatic gearboxes....no manuals at all.

So... The posers are the hardcore and the hardcore are the posers?

[clutch-monkey]

i don't know if i'd call straight cut sequential gearboxes semi-auto. don't they still have a clutch (iirc they do in carrera cup cars etc)

[henk4]

So... The posers are the hardcore and the hardcore are the posers?

if defined by their choice of gearbox, possibly yes....

[Cyco]

The Lambo open gate for the shifter is better designed and nicer to use.

Real pity it has gone.

[clutch-monkey]

The Lambo open gate for the shifter is better designed and nicer to use.

Real pity it has gone.

i remember you saying as much, part of the reason i miss lambo's more.. wonder if it lives on in the R8.

[Ferrer]

the sportomatic was not using buttons....

Tiptronics and PDKs were/are though.

i don't know if i'd call straight cut sequential gearboxes semi-auto. don't they still have a clutch (iirc they do in carrera cup cars etc)

They do. And the last works race cars with full manuals that I can remember are the 320sis that BMW enter in the WTCC.

In any case, flamboyant or fast a full manual is still more fun and enjoyable in my opinion.

[RacingManiac]

i don't know if i'd call straight cut sequential gearboxes semi-auto. don't they still have a clutch (iirc they do in carrera cup cars etc)

They don't use them though, but AFAIK the clutches aren't actuated. The shifting is designed to cut power on the up shift and you are still supposed to blip on the down shift. In the prototypes/F1 kind of the boxes they are electro-hydraulic/pneumatically actuated, which is actually closer to what the production boxes are. DSG is more of its own animal, and is actually not allowed in most series...

[Ferrer]

The GT racers do use the clutch, for downshifting. At least the ones that took part in this past weekend's 24h of Spa.

[RacingManiac]

They don't have to. Its the same with motorcycle gearbox(minus the flat up shift). Its preference and habit though, and its probably a better idea since if you mis-match the rev you might endup damaging the box.

[henk4]

F1 cars also have a clutch, as those who watched the BBC last weekend will know, and it is actuated via two paddles....but only for take-off.