Bush's "ARMY of ONE"

[Matra et Alpine]

The world see America having an Arrogant attitude .....

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I'm an American, I'm a Naturalized American, I am Arrogant and Proud to be an American.

From the info you posted, you read too many right-wing papers and TV shows.
For everything you cited please spend the time to bring an example suporting the viewpoint and an example disproving it.

The Greeks taught us a lot about how to study information, to philosphise and to understand better. Take a leaf from their techniques and provide an analysis as suggested above.

It will save US time repeating old truths and will better expand your understanding of the world and the actions US government, insustry and citizens have taken.

[Coventrysucks]

The world see America having an Arrogant attitude.

Arrogant --> free economic based society like America really sucks, citizens actually owns multiple homes and there is so much food, poor people are obbesed.

Arrogant --> I heard in America they let their women drive and become educated and rich.

Arrogant --> I heard America are so arrogantly rich they give money away to the rest of the world,, in the billiions

Arrogant -- > America is sooo aroogant they make sure that rogue states don't kill each other,, why can't they just let them African countries obliterate each other.

Daaamn those Arrogant Americans,,,, I heard they let Illegal aliens in their country,,, how dare them Americans,,,, they are soo Hospitable..

Arrogant Americans are ,, I hate them Freedom crap,, I heard you can say whatever you want to say in America ..

Arrogant Americans even give criminals their own right ,, where I came from they shoot them on the spot ..

Stupid Americans ,,,,, they let non US citizens vote !!,, How arrogant is that !!

ETC !! ,, I totally Agree with you,, Americans are arrogant ...

I'm an American, I'm a Naturalized American, I am Arrogant and Proud to be an American.

I know America does all that, but in poorer countries where this information isn't freely available to the general population, those with influance can corrupt the image of America, by purely focussing on America's mistakes and bad points.

Therefore you get countries where the general population thinks America is a greedy imperialist country that wants to colonise the world by stealth, installing US supported governments.

Then, to completely dissprove this image, your glorious leader decides to invade a country with a lot of oil, and provide lots of business oppertunities to American companies to "restructure" the aftermath, then installs a US supported government...

You can see the problem here.

I know that the USA and "coalition of the willing" invaded Iraq to get rid of Saddam Hussein, and possibly some terrorists who may/ may not have been there, and it was in the interests of the American people to prevent another 11/9 (do you really believe that your government can stop a really determined effort by the terrorists?)

However, the people of Iraq don't care about the safety of American citizens, they care about having no water or power because the Americans bombed the infrastructure of the country during the invasion, they care about being blown up in a roadside car bomb planted by insurgents, who are there because of the Americans. They care about having an occupying force swaggering about their country, telling them what to do.

America isn't as "free" as you'd like to think. I doubt I will ever be visiting the USA again unless I really have too.
I am not too keen on being "tagged" by the security services.

[cls12vg30]

Yeah Coventry if I were coming from another country I wouldn't want to visit the US right now either. All this security BS is really getting to me, especially this week with the terror alert in NY, and the cops with M-4's and MP-5's on the streets and subways. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with automatic weapons in public places, except when they're in the hands of what amount to government shock troops. All to give people the illusion that they're "safe" from terrorism. How the heck is it that all these morons will worry and whine and wring their hands about "fear of terrorism", but will think nothing of firing up their car in the morning and heading out on the street where they are 100x more likely to die a grisly death than by terrorism?! And then they accept their dignity being violated at the airport, overt and covert surveillance of their lives, etc., all in the name of security, which is an illusion. Is that illusion really worth giving up your freedom, bit by bit? It's making me sick. I'll worry about my own safety, the government can piss off.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still voting for Bush. He's definitely the lesser of two evils. Kerry and those like him also seek to have control over the lives of the people, but they use even more insidious means. For the time being, these candidates and this government are all we have to work with. Hopefully over the next couple decades we can gradually drive out both the right-wing authoritarianism (The Daddy State) and left-wing collectivism (The Mommy State) and bring more libertarian ideals back into our government.

[d-quik]

crimefighter, your love for America is indeed, making you very very ignorant. If you claim you are not ignorant, you will realise the amount of reasons to like America doesn't even compare to the amount of reasons to hate the country. You realise what the United States is doing to everyone else outside their country. I really do not wish to sound immature but for everytime you state a reason to like the United States, I can list two reasons to hate the United States.

If you think that everyone should love and embrace the United States, listen to what you are saying. Considering that you know that the majority of the world hates the United States, why can't you understand there are reasons for that. It should mean someting to you when the majority of over 6 billion people share an opinion. The ENTIRE WORLD can't ALL be ignorant of America. We understand it. Do you understand how the United States operates outside your country? I don't believe your an American, and I believe you are heavily misinformed. I realsed all but one of the pro-USA points you listed are what they do INSIDE the country. Remove your head out of the gutter, son.

[crisis]

The world see America having an Arrogant attitude.

Arrogant --> free economic based society like America really sucks, citizens actually owns multiple homes and there is so much food, poor people are obbesed.

Arrogant --> I heard in America they let their women drive and become educated and rich.

Arrogant --> I heard America are so arrogantly rich they give money away to the rest of the world,, in the billiions

Arrogant -- > America is sooo aroogant they make sure that rogue states don't kill each other,, why can't they just let them African countries obliterate each other.

Daaamn those Arrogant Americans,,,, I heard they let Illegal aliens in their country,,, how dare them Americans,,,, they are soo Hospitable..

Arrogant Americans are ,, I hate them Freedom crap,, I heard you can say whatever you want to say in America ..

Arrogant Americans even give criminals their own right ,, where I came from they shoot them on the spot ..

Stupid Americans ,,,,, they let non US citizens vote !!,, How arrogant is that !!

ETC !! ,, I totally Agree with you,, Americans are arrogant ...

I'm an American, I'm a Naturalized American, I am Arrogant and Proud to be an American.

Your full of outrageous generalisations. The world does not hate America. To criticise your governments policies does not mean your country is hated. I beleive it is a kind of freedom. It is not as black and white as Bush would like to beleive. The world is not with us or against us. There must be moderate elements to give balance. I do grow weary of the type of arrogance that you paradoxically purport that the US has some kind of exclusive ownership of freedom. I consider Australia to enjoy freedom as much as anywhere. I certainly dont feel inhibited. The fact is all Americans dont share your opinion, all Americans are not arrogant and many Americans do understand the rest of the world. These arguments often degenerate into wild generalisations. America is not an entity. Are we talking about the government, the genereal population, a faction, the military, the media, business? Im sure each category has vastly different agendas and outlooks. I was once criticised on another forum for defending the US in one post and questioning it in another. The American who sprayed me couldnt understand how I could not pick a side. I never will.

[crimefighter196]

From the info you posted, you read too many right-wing papers and TV shows.
For everything you cited please spend the time to bring an example suporting the viewpoint and an example disproving it.

The Greeks taught us a lot about how to study information, to philosphise and to understand better. Take a leaf from their techniques and provide an analysis as suggested above.

It will save US time repeating old truths and will better expand your understanding of the world and the actions US government, insustry and citizens have taken.

your advice is appreciated. unfortunately Mr. English Teacher, I am limited in education.

I lived in the Island of Jolo in the Phillipines where almost daily the practice of beheading by the Muslims is common. Where Christians are freely abused and decapitated like chickens.

There were also Communist elements where they practically kidnapped teenagers to indoctrinate.

This is where my education started.

I did not learn to hate them , I learned to fear them.

Philosophise , I know not, not to believe what I hear and only belive half of what I see.

Know that every book one reads is an idea by another man to influence another.

Know that the News / paper or TV is just a digest of what it really was, and is filtered and or enhanced by bias.

Since I believe half of what I see,,, I only saw half of the hatred for America, thus I am condemed to by chance to see more of it.

Hatred to which I am forced to understand. After being raised in the world of hatred,,, I know it has no real meaning, nor a reason to be understood .

Hatred is irrational, and does not merit understanding.

A country that is composed of every citizen of the world, to be considered ignorant of other cultures ,,,,, is truly a farce..

[crimefighter196]

Your full of outrageous generalisations. The world does not hate America. To criticise your governments policies does not mean your country is hated. I beleive it is a kind of freedom. It is not as black and white as Bush would like to beleive. The world is not with us or against us. There must be moderate elements to give balance. I do grow weary of the type of arrogance that you paradoxically purport that the US has some kind of exclusive ownership of freedom. I consider Australia to enjoy freedom as much as anywhere. I certainly dont feel inhibited. The fact is all Americans dont share your opinion, all Americans are not arrogant and many Americans do understand the rest of the world. These arguments often degenerate into wild generalisations. America is not an entity. Are we talking about the government, the genereal population, a faction, the military, the media, business? Im sure each category has vastly different agendas and outlooks. I was once criticised on another forum for defending the US in one post and questioning it in another. The American who sprayed me couldnt understand how I could not pick a side. I never will.

I am limited by language, and that generalizations is but a given to express some thoughts.

It is a gift, Freedom that is not a God give right, it is but a human imagination, a creation.

We are free when we are comfortable of a certain state.

America is definitely not its government, America is its people. The Government represents the people.

America is an idea, that men of common thoughts came together to form a nation.


And yes I agree, the world is not against us, but the world is againts our open ly aggressive capitalist policy.

Unlike the rest of the world whose policies are but hidden agendas of the same,,,, primarily domination.

We must never forget man's humanity, but one must also realize man's inate brutality.

America brutally enforces its will on others as others will, and shall imposed their will on other country,,,, but in a suttle ways.

It is black and white, your either an Infidel or a beliver,, if you claim to be or believe neither, your in the unfortunate position of being by default an Infidel.

You are either a greedy Capitalist, or a Socialist who wish to take the sweat of others to be given to those who wish to work not.

If your in Between, you must be Lazy as a rock !!

[crimefighter196]

Yeah Coventry if I were coming from another country I wouldn't want to visit the US right now either. All this security BS is really getting to me, especially this week with the terror alert in NY, and the cops with M-4's and MP-5's on the streets and subways. Don't get me wrong, I have no problem with automatic weapons in public places, except when they're in the hands of what amount to government shock troops. All to give people the illusion that they're "safe" from terrorism. How the heck is it that all these morons will worry and whine and wring their hands about "fear of terrorism", but will think nothing of firing up their car in the morning and heading out on the street where they are 100x more likely to die a grisly death than by terrorism?! And then they accept their dignity being violated at the airport, overt and covert surveillance of their lives, etc., all in the name of security, which is an illusion. Is that illusion really worth giving up your freedom, bit by bit? It's making me sick. I'll worry about my own safety, the government can piss off.
Don't get me wrong, I'm still voting for Bush. He's definitely the lesser of two evils. Kerry and those like him also seek to have control over the lives of the people, but they use even more insidious means. For the time being, these candidates and this government are all we have to work with. Hopefully over the next couple decades we can gradually drive out both the right-wing authoritarianism (The Daddy State) and left-wing collectivism (The Mommy State) and bring more libertarian ideals back into our government.

Definitely agree, I'm sick of it myself,, its disgusting.

Why all the warnings, why does the gov't just do their Job ..

There is one issue though that is quite disconcerning to me about comparing car accidents and fear of dying by terrorism.

When I turn my car on and drive 100x, I am responsible for my deaths and the deaths of others, and hopefully soo it would be unintentional.

When a fanatic trys to blow me up and my bretheren to pieces intentionaly because I am considered an insect, then that would be totally terrifying to me.

The chances of one dying from a terror attack, very slim, ,, traffic accident,, higly likely. This is true.

The chances of Thousands of Innocent lives of babies, women etc dying in a terrorist attack,,, very Likely,, I don't think I can kill 3000 of people with my Honda Civic ..

be more observant , and read less propaganda,, you will realize America is not as Right wing nuts as you think ,,,, aparently Old ladies are still being searched in Airports ,, the most unlikely suspects :-)

[crimefighter196]

crimefighter, your love for America is indeed, making you very very ignorant. If you claim you are not ignorant, you will realise the amount of reasons to like America doesn't even compare to the amount of reasons to hate the country. You realise what the United States is doing to everyone else outside their country. I really do not wish to sound immature but for everytime you state a reason to like the United States, I can list two reasons to hate the United States.

If you think that everyone should love and embrace the United States, listen to what you are saying. Considering that you know that the majority of the world hates the United States, why can't you understand there are reasons for that. It should mean someting to you when the majority of over 6 billion people share an opinion. The ENTIRE WORLD can't ALL be ignorant of America. We understand it. Do you understand how the United States operates outside your country? I don't believe your an American, and I believe you are heavily misinformed. I realsed all but one of the pro-USA points you listed are what they do INSIDE the country. Remove your head out of the gutter, son.

I do claim to be very ignorant of many things. I am by far probably the most uneducated, poster in this bulletin board. I came only to sell my M3 but look where it got me :-)

I am not interested in the number of ways to prove America to be lesser than others, really to those who loves America, it should matter not.

What matters though is what Americans feel about itself.

What can I say,,, find another hobby ??? quit counting points againts America ,, and pros about America.

[crisis]

your advice is appreciated. unfortunately Mr. English Teacher, I am limited in education.

I lived in the Island of Jolo in the Phillipines where almost daily the practice of beheading by the Muslims is common. Where Christians are freely abused and decapitated like chickens.

There were also Communist elements where they practically kidnapped teenagers to indoctrinate.

This is where my education started.

I did not learn to hate them , I learned to fear them.

Philosophise , I know not, not to believe what I hear and only belive half of what I see.

Know that every book one reads is an idea by another man to influence another.

Know that the News / paper or TV is just a digest of what it really was, and is filtered and or enhanced by bias.

Since I believe half of what I see,,, I only saw half of the hatred for America, thus I am condemed to by chance to see more of it.

Hatred to which I am forced to understand. After being raised in the world of hatred,,, I know it has no real meaning, nor a reason to be understood .

Hatred is irrational, and does not merit understanding.

A country that is composed of every citizen of the world, to be considered ignorant of other cultures ,,,,, is truly a farce..

Well put. +1 although that seems a little irrelevant for something of this gravity. Once more a new member who can enlighten us as to how the other half live.

[crisis]

America is definitely not its government, America is its people. The Government represents the people.

That is somewhat my point. The fact that many may question the US governments, actions, motives and honesty does not mean those same people have issues with the American people.

[Matra et Alpine]

I am limited by language, and that generalizations is but a given to express some thoughts.

That's OK, it does explain the shock some of your comments give.

You have had a terrible experience as have many others in countries all over the world wherever bigots, racists and religious extremists of all forms exist.
[QUOTE}And yes I agree, the world is not against us, but the world is againts our openly aggressive capitalist policy.

Unlike the rest of the world whose policies are but hidden agendas of the same,,,, primarily domination.[/QUOTE]

Sorry but you've not had enough experience and there are hundreds of nations in the world who have no desire to domiate and MANY who have the understanding of the "common good and commoon need" to put others needs first.

It is black and white, your either an Infidel or a beliver,, if you claim to be or believe neither, your in the unfortunate position of being by default an Infidel.

This reflects the horrible past you have endured and does NOT reflect the real world.

You are either a greedy Capitalist, or a Socialist who wish to take the sweat of others to be given to those who wish to work not.

That sounds like indoctrination.
The explanation of a socialist is so far removed from the real goals of most of the broad spectrum of socialism. The extreme left is as dangerous as unbridled capitalism ( where ENRON "stole" the money elderly people invested. Those elderly people now have no way to support themselves )

If your in Between, you must be Lazy as a rock !!

The world is not black and white.
I work very hard, but I also share my benefits with those who are disadvantaged and help THEM to achiev higher goals.

In a world where person A has 100 and person B has 10 of something but it takes having 20 to be able to end suffering. We woudl all hope that persons A would give 10 to person B. After all the difference will not be noticable to Person A and make a huge difference to Person B. There we go socialism - or I prefer the French term "equalitie, egalitie, fraternitie" - the last part being important and empowers us to CHOSE to help those less fortunate than ourselves.

I suspect at the moment you are 'drunk' on the freedoms having moved to America. Hopefully you will be able to find out more and realise the huge breadth of optiosn in life in the world and recognise the benefits of other sytems. THEN you can truly know you've made a choice to live with the bets for you.

For example, I am always shocked at being asked to carry a card in my wallet for medical coverage as I may not be picked up by an ambulance if I didn't have medical cover. ANYONE having an accident in Europe will be taken to the best facility in the immediate area for treatment with no questions asked and costs covered by an inter-government agreement for an extension of our respective National health systems. Perhaps if you know someone who can't afford private medical care and has serious illness you're view may adjust.

[cls12vg30]

In a world where person A has 100 and person B has 10 of something but it takes having 20 to be able to end suffering. We woudl all hope that persons A would give 10 to person B. After all the difference will not be noticable to Person A and make a huge difference to Person B. There we go socialism

That's not socialism. That's charity, which is not only good for the stomach of person B but the soul of person A. (I'm not speaking religiously, rather just the fulfillment that most of us get from helping our fellow man without expecting anything in return.)

If the government came along and took 20 away from person A at gunpoint or under other threat, then the govt. gave 8 to person B, and used the other 12 to fund its own bureaucracy, that's a more accurate representation of welfare and most other socialist government programs. The other advantage to giving person B 8 rather than 10 is that it keeps person B right on the edge of starvation constantly, so he can do nothing that might risk losing that needed 8 from the government. He will always accept whatever regulation or legislation that government introduces, and will always use his vote to keep those giving him the 8 in power. He will not be encouraged to go out and try and earn 20 or 30 on his own, because to do so would risk the guaranteed 8 that he has come to depend on so much. It may take 20 to end suffering, but it only took 8 to make person B a slave.
And this is exactly what has been happening in my country and many others for decades.

"It" could be welfare, medical care, it doesn't matter. Every time you depend on the government for something, you have made yourself that much more a slave. It boggles my mind how much people around the world seem to trust their governments. Yeah, they only killed 170 million people in the last century, of course we can trust them. Government is the bane of mankind.

[henk4]

Every time you depend on the government for something, you have made yourself that much more a slave. It boggles my mind how much people around the world seem to trust their governments. Yeah, they only killed 170 million people in the last century, of course we can trust them. Government is the bane of mankind.

Here speaks the true anarchist, praise be on you

[Matra et Alpine]

That's not socialism. That's charity, which is not only good for the stomach of person B but the soul of person A. (I'm not speaking religiously, rather just the fulfillment that most of us get from helping our fellow man without expecting anything in return.)

You have an extrmemly biased view of socialism

If I vote in a socialist government it is because I want them to enact socialist policies and provide that service.

You seem to think socialism is a disease or somehow takes over.
It's not, it's because we WANT it.

And not because we're all poor and want "free" but because we were brought up to be caring and careful and to try to improve everyones lot.

If the government came along and took 20 away from person A at gunpoint or under other threat, then the govt. gave 8 to person B, and used the other 12 to fund its own bureaucracy, that's a more accurate representation of welfare and most other socialist government programs.

No, that's an example of poor givernance.
BIG difference.

The other advantage to giving person B 8 rather than 10 is that it keeps person B right on the edge of starvation constantly, so he can do nothing that might risk losing that needed 8 from the government. He will always accept whatever regulation or legislation that government introduces, and will always use his vote to keep those giving him the 8 in power. He will not be encouraged to go out and try and earn 20 or 30 on his own, because to do so would risk the guaranteed 8 that he has come to depend on so much. It may take 20 to end suffering, but it only took 8 to make person B a slave.

again that's poor governance.
Either do a policy to ensure no deprivation or don't.
Any government elected on the promise to do it who then only did half of it deserves to be voted down and removed from government.
It happende to Calaghan's government in the UK in the 70s.
Vote of no confidence and then out on his ear and a general election called.

And this is exactly what has been happening in my country and many others for decades.

"It" could be welfare, medical care, it doesn't matter. Every time you depend on the government for something, you have made yourself that much more a slave. It boggles my mind how much people around the world seem to trust their governments. Yeah, they only killed 170 million people in the last century, of course we can trust them. Government is the bane of mankind.

Well if they don't vote for the government they want then the blame's theirs.

Government doesn't last for a century so it's pointeless to suggest that something different will be terrible tomorrow because another one was terrible years ago. "killed 170million" ? And how many 'saved' ???

I think you may have missed the workd "OUR" at the start of your last sentence